Part 2: Earthfiles Special Report with U. K. Electrical Engineer
Winston Keech on PHENOMENON Radio
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Interview with mp3 audio and transcript of exclusive 2 hours on Aug. 11, 2016, with John Burroughs, Linda Moulton Howe and Winston Keech on PHENOMENON Radio, co-hosted by John and Linda weekly for Thursday evening broadcasts on db KGRA.
U. K. electrical and mechanical engineer Winston Keech —
who owns The Power Collective in Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England.
Linda Moulton Howe, Reporter and Editor, Earthfiles.com: Win, before the break, you were discussing the work with Mike Freebury in the Wales section of England where there were videotapes you all were able to get or what appeared to be competing or aggressive beams shooting at each other. And we were talking about Col. Charles Halt in Rendlesham Forest on the night of December 28, 1980, who described a thin, white beam coming from a very bright white light in the sky over the forest that came to within 3 or 4 feet of his shoes. He said he did not know if this was an act of aggression.
Now, I've been told over decades now by people who have been off the record and quietly in the background of military and intelligence relationships to this whole issue of an alien presence on Earth that there really is a 'secret war,' that has been a secret war going on this planet for decades.
Even Len Stringfield (author of Situation Red) told me in the early 1980s that he had served in the U. S. Air Force and he knew for a fact firsthand that there was a standing order in the United States to shoot down UFOs because we wanted the technology. Then he said these chilling words: 'But Linda, we learned that payback was really, really hard.'
Then he explained that we were in a situation where the military and government contingencies did not want the public and the media to know that there was this background secret war going on with advanced technologies from Something in the alien presence and back-engineered technology that we were hurrying trying to develop.
Can you describe what you all were videotaping in Wales with Mike Freebury as a secret war with aggression. Do you have any other private information about a secret war?
Winston Keech: Well, yes, it's an interesting area in itself. It's not a million miles away from the famous Berwyn Mountain incident where there was a shoot down. So yeah, the difference between the incident that Colonel Halt's describing is that his was white light from a white object.
So what we were seeing were green and red objects that were firing green and red beams at each other. And the green objects would initially start out as a green glowing sphere, and then occasionally a second sphere would emerge from the first just like an amoeba reproducing. The second one would appear out of it. They were moving through the forest. They were moving above the trees, sometimes amongst the trees. And they seemed to be engaged with the red objects in that they were sporadically sending these beams at each other. And occasionally sending what seemed to be scanning beams around the surrounding hills, which were the things that unsettled Mike slightly, and you can't really blame him. This incident was actually covered in the British press in The Sun newspaper. They quite jokingly referred to it as ‘Bah Wars’ because of the sheep that were being affected in this incident.
But yes, there was definitely some sort of real engagement between two very strange glowing spheres.
Linda: THE IMPLICATION MIGHT BE THAT BECAUSE THERE WERE SO MANY MUTILIATIONS AT THAT TIME, THAT MAYBE SOMETHING THAT IS FRIENDLY TO US WAS TRYING TO DEFEAT OR CHASE OFF SOMETHING THAT WAS DOING THE MUTILATIONS?
Winston: Yes. This is part of the cycle. We have observed the cycle every couple of years here where, in this case sheep were being targeted at the time when the lambs were very young. There was a peak in the activity where the spheres would come down and basically whatever they were doing, they would do something to the female sheep that were impregnated. And then just before the lambs were due to be born, there would be another swath of activity and they would come up, and that's when the mutilations occurred. So it was as though they were adding something or implanting something in the first incident and then returning to harvest whatever it was that they were stimulating in the first. Now, this was one of those two points, and it was as though the second range of objects knew about this and they were basically fighting these things off.
They were trying to force them away from the area where the animals were. So yes, I think there's obviously either a friendly force or a force that has some contrary agenda to the first.
Linda: YES, AND THE QUESTION IS — WHICH ONES, FRIENDLY OR UNFRIENDLY, ARE IN THE RED LIGHTS, THE GREEN LIGHTS, OR THE BIG WHITE LIGHT OVER RENDLESHAM FOREST?
Winston: That's a good question. And unless you're up close and personal like Jim and John, I think it's very hard to say. I'm much happier to sit back sort of half a mile away with a camera personally.
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Terahertz Frequencies
Terahertz radiation consists of electromagnetic wavelengths of radiation ranging from 1 mm to 0.1 mm (or 100 microns). Because terahertz radiation begins at a wavelength of 1 millimeter and proceeds into shorter wavelengths, it is known as the submillimeter band.
Moving right to left from longest radio frequency waves to microwave to infrared (bright red)
to visible light (eye and color spectrum) to ultraviolet to x-rays to gamma radiation —
terahertz waves defined by the two straight lines converging near 1mm are between
the lowest frequency end of the infrared band and microwaves. Graphic by Tatoute.
The terahertz region (white in above graphic) is between the microwave
and infrared frequencies of the electromagnetic spectrum in the frequency
range from 300 gigahertz to 10 terahertz (THz). Source: NY Issues.
Those waves between microwaves and infrared light are known as the “terahertz gap” and can penetrate matter. That's why terahertz radiation is used in the stand-up airport screening devices — the wavelengths “see through” clothing and can show any metallic weapons, knives, bombs or other dangerous devices.
John Burroughs: Win, a follow up question. I want to get into terahertz now. You said that it would affect organs in the body, right?
Winston: Yes.
John: So let's start there. What kind of effects would it have on what types of organs and what would be the length of exposure it would take to cause that kind of damage?
Winston: OK. Well, it depends on the intensity and the length of the exposure, but obviously there are two key areas it affects. One, as you know to your own cost, is that it affects the valves of the heart. And the second is that it also affects mental processes. It can interact with the brain. And the brain effect is a version of what's known as the Frey effect, which was discovered during the end of World War II when people found that they could hear clicks in their head from standing close to radar sets, which eventually turned into a project for communicating directly to the brain using microwaves. And that was spearheaded by a certain Dr. Frey.
[ Editor's Note: Allan Frey, Ph.D., biologist was working at General Electric's Advanced Electronics Center at Cornell University in 1960, when he was contacted by a technician whose job was to measure the signals emitted by radar stations. The technician claimed that he could "hear" radar.
Frey Effect: An auditory phenomenon in which pulsed microwave frequencies generate clicking sounds directly inside the human head.]
The other thing is that although terahertz radiation—terahertz radiation, for anybody who doesn't know, is basically radiation in the band of wavelength .1 of a millimeter to 1 millimeter. So it's just below the microwave band where you would use for say targeting radar on an attack helicopter for instance.
But it's also the range where you're effectively into deep infrared kind of properties that's something that all back body radiators, i.e. everything you see around you, radiates terahertz radiation at some level and absorb it again. There are things that terahertz radiation passes through. So for instance, things like polyethylene, PVC, are transparent to terahertz radiation. Whereas the human body's also—and most organic materials—are largely transparent to terahertz, which is why they're used, for instance, in TSA scanning equipment at airports to see if there are any concealed weapons because the signal passes through the body but doesn't pass through the metal object. So it has a wide range of applications, of course, in industry and security for measuring and detection but also for nondestructive observation.
So for instance, you could, if you took something that is largely in inorganic slab of concrete, you could look through it with terahertz in a way you couldn't with say an x-ray. You'd have to have a much higher energy of another range to penetrate something like that, whereas terahertz would largely pass through it, to find any metal objects. So it's a good scanning technology, if you can generate as Linda was describing, a good source of it that's coherent, that you can use, then it's a very good detection technology. But also it's something at very low levels that everything passes as part of the thermal radiation and absorption and re-radiation that goes on in everything around us. So it's part of our background, but when it becomes strong and artificial, then there can be effects. Then the level at which, for instance, sound can be transmitted through the terahertz to the brain, it is at a level that's been measured as being potentially dangerous to the brain and body tissue.
So although a promising field of inter-cerebral communication, it also has inherent safety issues in exactly the same way as you might have issues with say mobile phone transmissions close to your head, if you were close to a strong source of terahertz radiation, then yes it could cause damage to valve material in your heart. It could also disrupt your brain function temporarily and possibly affect fats and other materials in your brain and cause irritation to the brain structure.
John: Question, follow up: early on when you started this explanation, you said that they were working on communications between radars and human minds?
Winston: Yes.
John: Can you go into more detail into that please?
Winston: Yeah. Some I can talk about, some I can't. If it's civilian I can talk about it. As you know, I had a career in aerospace as well as an innovator, and I did lot of pioneering work on computer authentication some time ago. Part of my work in aerospace dealt with omni-generational fighters that are just starting to appear now, so this is 25 years after I was designing things for them. But even then, one particular fighter aircraft that's just out now, I know had a thing called the thinking helmet. And I saw the prototype of that running in the early 1980s. And that was assisted and designed to directly pick up signals from the brain and communicate with the brain to provide fast background operations of the aircraft, so noncritical things like turning the lights on and off, bringing the carriage up and down, that kind of stuff could just be operated by thought.
And that was viable. In the mid-1980s it was removed from the final specification due to cost overruns. A bit of cost-trimming went on in that particular project, but the technology was there. And of course you've seen variations of this theme ever since. I mean, we had a chat the other day, and it made me dig out some of my old business cards and I'm actually looking here, you know. I'm looking here at a company that I met 20 years ago. And this is a company that specialized in reading your brain in a kind of projected MRI beam that would look for polygraph type responses in your brain. And so those things are there. Those things were commercialized 20 years ago. So yeah, who knows. Who knows?
John: So that would be basically—because this is going to lead to a question. That would be basically telepathy, correct?
Winston: That would be effectively mechanical telepathy. It would be artificial telepathy. It would be using conventional radio electromagnetic type of emissions to provide communication between a computer and your mind, whether it's simply placing something into your mind—a voice or some kind of influence—or whether it's picking up the emissions from your brain so that you can translate them into something that you can use to control something with. So you put the two together and you have machine to human communication. And that to my knowledge has been available commercially and militarily for over 20 years.
John: OK. Now the follow up before I go further. How would that be transmitted? What would be used? Would it be binary?
Winston: Interestingly, the Frey effect, which is what a lot of that work is based upon, works on short duration fast rise pulses.
So if you can imagine taking a square wave and taking it into a very short duration pulse with a fast up rise, those were found to be the most effective waveforms for transmitting to a human mind, using microwaves in this instance. And as we know, micros are not far in distance from terahertz in terms of frequency range. The two ranges merge into one another. In fact, the top end of the terahertz range is what you'd call millimetric radar, which is what is just on the threshold of microwaves. So yeah, all that stuff is out there. So the question is who's doing what with it? I've no need to know.
Linda: BUT WIN, WOULD THAT MEAN WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT FAST RISE PULSE IN THAT 1980S EXPERIMENTATION, WOULD THOSE FAST RISE PULSES TRANSLATE INTO ZEROS AND ONES?
Winston: Oh, absolutely. They would be square wave pulses, so you could generate that as a digital signal. Absolutely.
John: OK. So follow up to that. You have—we have technology that can do that, OK? Where did we get that technology from?
Winston: (Laughs) Who knows?
John: The reason why I'm asking is could it not be that particular energy field in Rendlesham Forest?
Winston: It may be that an advanced species would naturally be using these technologies, probably for command and control of their own ships and probably for communication between them. So if it's out there it's probably something you want to measure in the field to confirm that that's what they're doing. Then you could model how they use it so you could do your own research. That would make sense.
John: OK. Then another follow up question. If we were trying to communicate with this, how would we do it?
Winston: That's a good question. You could do it artificially. If I had to sit down and I had access to everything in the country that I could use to play with this, then the best source of a powerful, steerable beam of that nature would be the space tracking radar systems.
John: OK. Now my next question. What effect would it have on someone if they walked into either A. that particular energy field then and what we saw happen to Penniston in 2010, B. if a particular person had contact with that energy field or radar communications going on between the two or separately it had an interaction with both of them? How would it affect them and what would happen to them and what could they remember and whatever? I'm trying to get into this. Is it possible—because Penniston claims he touched something, had some kind of download. Could that take place based on the energy field in the field and our type of technology, and could he also have had an interaction where there was a communication going on between us and them and we just accidentally walked into all of this?
Winston: That's a good question. I know from reading research on the Frey effect that certainly with microwaves and also at very high power terahertz operations that certainly can cause mental effects that cause disorientation and even temporary time loss in the normal narrative of the brain. And Frey did a lot of work on animals for instance. He could point it at frogs for instance and make them passive. That was the kind of work they were doing. So yeah, the brain functions can be interfered with by very strong terahertz radiation, but at a level that is dangerous. So the question is, is it something of ours that was just tested on you, or is it something of theirs that you just happened to get in the way of? And I personally think it's something of theirs you happened to get in the way of.
John: But would they be trying to study that particular stuff, and could there be communications going on? I'm asking just simply because I—based on my hypnosis and feelings I had from the beginning, I felt it was an intermix. And would these communications involve phased arrays?
Winston: Well, phased arrays were the most advanced technology available at that time for steering these kind of energy systems. So if you're going to produce a target, you'd use that kind of system. Also, if you're going to measure as accurately as you can, the environment and positions of craft, you'd use the phased array system. They're the highest resolution, most sophisticated systems out there, and still are. So yeah, if you had access to those assets, you would probably use them.
John: And you would be using them to study the phenomena itself in the field?
Winston: You could either use it to study the phenomenon or you could actually generate some of the phenomenon with it potentially.
John: Could you go into that? How you would do that and what would be the reasoning behind that?
Winston: OK. The reasoning you'd do that—if you weren't using it in its originally designed form, i.e. you're not just using it to look for things flying around in space and tracking bits that have fallen off spacecraft and seeing if anybody's launching missiles about the place, you could reconfigure it in theory to produce atmospheric plasmas, low grade plasmas that you could actually steer between the beam interference points. You could actually swing that around so that you could steer it wherever you wanted in the field of view of the radar system. And once you have that, if you have a secondary system that was a pumped energy weapon that was, for instance, a high powered maser, for instance, you could use that plasma beam as the targeting and steering mechanism for your weapon. The problem you have is you have to try and get the energy to go to the point where you want it to be released without being lost through the atmosphere.
And you also need to adapt to the widely changing atmospheric conditions between you and where you're targeting, which is impossible to model. It's too complex. So they tend to use plasmas because they have a natural effect called phase conjugation. So once you establish a communication link to it, so long as you maintain what they call a tracking beam—so if you have a plasma and you send a beam from your radar to it, and you get a very weak signal coming back, you then put that into what's called a four phase conjugate mixer, which is another form of plasma device. You could then release the energy you want to transmit to the target point, and it will follow, automatically, all the tracks through the atmosphere that the return signal came back through and converge to that point so that the entire atmosphere becomes a transmitter rather than the point that's dispersing. You have a wide swathe of atmosphere that's focusing the energy back to a point, and it's very efficient in maintaining the original energy.
And that was the trick. That was a trick invented by Tesla, and that was the trick that they used to make SDI successful. So yeah, being able to generate those plasmas and steer them is a big part of it.
Linda: WIN, WHEN I'VE BEEN IN ENGLAND OUT IN A FIELD IN A CROP FORMATION AND THE ENTIRE NIGHT SKY HAS GONE WHITE FOR HALF A SECOND OR A SECOND—
Winston: Yep.
Linda: I HAVE INTERVIEWED DOZENS OF PEOPLE IN THE HUMAN ABDUCTION SYNDROME WHO HAVE SEEN THEIR BEDROOMS GO UP WITH A BLAST OF WHITE LIGHT OR WHITE LIGHT COMING THROUGH A WINDOW—A BLAST OF WHITE LIGHT. JIM PENNISTON AND JOHN BURROUGHS BOTH REMEMBER THIS PART. THEY BOTH REMEMBER A BLAST OF WHITE LIGHT. WHAT IS, IN YOU MIND, THE RELATIONSHIP OF THESE BLASTS OF WHITE LIGHT TO THE PHYSICS OF WHAT IS HAPPENING—AND I'M FOLLOWING THIS UP WITH WHAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED?
Winston: Yeah. It has all the hallmarks of being on or near the receiving end of a directed energy weapon, something that's projecting energy and focusing it to a point in the distance.
Linda: BUT IS IT A WEAPON? OR IS IT A TECHNOLOGY OF MOVING DIMENSIONS OR TIMELINES OR AROUND THE EARTH?
Winston: Well, it's interesting. Obviously it can be used as a weapon. But it's also the kind of energy systems that you need if you're going to have portal technology for physical transportation and also if you want to have time access. So yeah, it can be used for all those because the energy you're—the way you're using energy there is exactly you require energy to be manipulated for interdimensional and trans-temporal effects.
Linda: JIM PENNISTON SAID THAT HE GOT THIS TELEPATHIC DOWNLOAD WITH THE IMPRESSION OF TIME TRAVELERS FROM 40,000 YEARS IN THE FUTURE WHO WERE DESPERATE.
THE CIVILZATION WAS DYING OUT. AND THAT THEY WERE BACK TO THE 20TH CENTURY AND SPECIFICALLY, WE'LL SAY, RENDLESHAM FOREST BECAUSE THEY WERE HARVESTING GENETIC MATERIAL TO USE AS, QUOTE, "BAND-AIDS," CLOSE QUOTE, IN THE FUTURE TRYING TO KEEP A, WE HAVE TO CONCLUDE, SOME FORM OF HUMAN CIVILIZATION ALIVE. NOW, THE QUESTION OF TIME TRAVEL RELATED TO THE BRIGHT WHITE LIGHT ALSO CAME UP ABOUT A YEAR AGO ON ANOTHER PHENOMENON RADIO BROADCAST THAT WE DID WITH LYN BUCHANAN WHO IN THE MID-80S WAS WORKING FOR THE DEFENSE INTELLIGENCE AGENCY AT FORT MEADE NEXT TO NSA DOING REMOTE VIEWING TARGETS. ONE OF THEM WE NOW KNOW AT THIS POINT LOOKING BACKWARDS—HE DIDN'T KNOW AT THE TIME, BUT IT'S BEEN PUBLISHED—WAS RENDLESHAM FOREST.
HE WENT THROUGH WHAT HAS BEEN RELEASED BY THE CIA, HIS REMOTE VIEWING REPORT. AND AS HE'S TALKING TO US FROM THE NOTES THAT WERE MADE IN 1986 FOR PHENOMENON RADIO, HE IS DESCRIBING HOW IN THE REMOTE VIEWING PROCESS HE IS SEEING A BLACK BOX. HE THINKS IT'S THE ENERGY SYSTEM FOR WHATEVER THIS DRONE TRIANGULAR CRAFT IS. IT WAS NOT BEING RUN BY ORGANIC PILOTS. IT WAS SELF-ACTIVATING SOFTWARE. BUT HE ALSO IN THE PROCESS OF LOOKING AT THIS STRANGE BLACK BOX THAT HE THOUGHT WAS THE POWER SOURCE THAT HE COULD NOT GET INTO. HE COULD NOT PENETRATE AS A REMOTE VIEWER AND FOUND THAT VERY FRUSTRATING AND FASCINATING. HE ALSO SAW GREEN LIGHT, OR GREENISH-YELLOW LIGHT, AND GOT THE IMPRESSION DISTINCTLY THAT IT WAS GENETIC MATERIAL, LIFEFORM.
THE POINT OR PURPOSE OF THIS CRAFT WAS TO FIND A PLACE TO DEPOSIT THAT LIFE AS IF THE FUTURE OF CIVILIZATION THAT WAS HAVING PROBLEMS WAS TRYING TO GO BACK IN TIME AND START ITSELF, I GUESS, IN SOME NEW LIFEFORM OR HYBRID FORM, OR WHO KNOWS WHAT. AND THAT RENDLESHAM FOREST WAS PART OF THAT EFFORT.
DOES ANY OF THAT RESONATE WITH ANYTHING YOU'VE BEEN EXPOSED TO?
Winston: Absolutely, I'm afraid. Yes, it stacks up exactly with the possible scenario for what happened. Two factors come into this. OK, the first is that as you know around this time I was basically taking my degree and also doing officer training with the Air Force because I'd volunteered for it. And this was just before the Falklands War.
Linda: THIS WAS 1980?
Winston: Yeah. So this is that era, and this era was the height of the Cold War. This was when we were on knife edge. And as you know, the Rendlesham Forest incident was around the time of the Gdansk Shipyard riots, which was a really significant event because as you know, the Russians had an awful lot more tanks than we had, and we only had one response to that, and that was to use battlefield nukes to take out as many tanks and as many infantry as possible, and that was the reason they were all basically at Woodbridge and Bentwaters at that time, OK? Everybody thought they were at Greenbury and Cadbury, but they were at Woodbridge and Bentwaters. Now, there is a possibility that this was a crossing point for a timeline because this was an area of a ton of very high tension and it would be a point if there was an actual conflict with that short wind of time, then that could have escalated to a Russian/UK/U.S. atomic war of catastrophic proportions.
If so, we would now be on a timeline of huge atomic devastation, genetic damage to our bodies. We would probably have to adapt to a nuclear winter, loss of food. We would have gone through a very difficult time to be where we are now, and we'd probably be permanently genetically damaged from background radiation and the radiation damage caused by the actual incident. So yes, if we hypothesize that there was a crossing of timelines there, i.e. we as humanity at that point, at the point of the Rendlesham incident went on that timeline, the timeline we could have gone on, that's where we would have ended up. Now, if we were in that position and we rebuilt society, we'd regained technology and we'd advanced that technology where we could go back and access time, then that's something you would do.
You would go back to the point, the last point on that line where you had the best genetics to repair the damage to your existing genetics because although you could loop back to this time, you still have to live on the time you're on. But if you could loop back and collect the material or modify the material here and take it back, then you could repair your civilization. You could repair the damage that you couldn't get that information from any other source of genetic information. Which is also interesting because if you know—which means we're on the parallel timeline. We're on the timeline it never happened. And we're on the timeline where the Rendlesham Forest incident happened, so it may be that the two are connected. It could be that the reported disruptions to the functionality of the weapons on the base bought the window of time which reduced the probability of that event happening, i.e. the weapons you could have used to trigger that event weren't available for a short period of time. In which case, that would be the crossing point.
The other interesting thing is—and obviously John, if anybody's ever met John, I mean, I'm not short, but I feel like a dwarf when I'm next to John. John is like an enormous jolly Viking, OK? (Laughs)
Winston: In fact, when you—I remember you took a photograph of me stood between Jim and John and Jim's not short either. And you said, "How did that feel?" And I said, "I feel like a very small filling in a very large sandwich." (Laughs) Now, if you take that and just hold it in your mind for a second—the description of what John is, you know, if you had to describe a tall, Nordic person, you couldn't describe them better than John. And if you go back to the testimony of Dan Burisch in Las Vegas, if you remember that some years ago. He was talking about communicating via a human species that looked like the Greys but were actually a form of our humanity on a different timeline that were suffering genetic damage, nerve damage, because of genetic abnormalities.
See: “Whistleblower Microbiologist Dan Burisch Interview.”
And that they were from the period of time that Jim is describing, that they're up to 30-40,000 years in our future timeline or a potential timeline. The interesting thing that he also said was that when he met the same species at a later timeline point, i.e. the same representing the same species but 50,000 year ahead point, they had changed form completely. And they were now all tall Nordics. So it could be they are all John. (Laughs) Or at least all John's genetics.
Linda: MAYBE THAT'S WHY THEY WANTED TO TAKE HIM TWICE IN THE LIGHT TO DO SOMETHING.
Winston: It may be that they added something when they first met him and that processed within John's body and then they removed it for whatever purpose they had later. The same thing we've seen with the abductions with the sheep. They add something that goes through some kind of natural bio cycle and then at the next point something is taken away.
John: Well, I don't want to cut this off because that's a new one on me, but we're due our last break, so we're going to take our last break and we'll come back.
Winston: Yeah, it's a thought to go with. If you've met John, then you might have met the whole of humanity. (Laughs)
John: Oh, my God! (All laugh.) That was a shocker right there.
Linda: IT WAS GREAT.
John: Yeah, it was, unless you are me!
Winston: Laughs!
At 30:10 COMMERCIAL BREAK
John: Win, we're going into the last half an hour. You just have no idea how you just dropped a huge bombshell on me right now (before commercial break) based on that theory. So wow, now we have something else we can add to the Rendelsham diary.
OK, what I'd like to cover a little bit in this last half an hour is we haven't gone into gravitics yet, and I'd like to hear a bit about you talk about there could be a time portal which could lead to the time travel or a warp drive. So how would this field in the forest and what we would be studying and looking at feed into gravitics and warp drive because believe it or not, but I know back in the 60s people said it was science fiction, but we're close or we're working on warp drive right now. Can you go into a little bit of that?
Winston: Yeah. The field of gravitics is certainly moving forwards. There's even mainstream evidence of that. If you go back to the same British aerospace that was messing around with something in that Hafren Forest, and you have the same British aerospace that had Project Greenglow where they were actively developing gravity reducing and gravity producing technologies.
Hafren Forest is 108 miles
southwest of Liverpool, England.
And curiously, they named it Greenglow, which is also very curious. But yes, there's a better understanding of what gravity is now. It seems scientists have been looking at it the wrong way for quite some time, although which section of scientists is hard to say. But it certainly becomes apparent that the loss of theory from Maxwell on how longitudinal electromagnetic waves propagate meant we really lost a big head start in understanding how gravity works.
And when you start analyzing how basically photons of light—electromagnetic energy interacts with atoms, you find that they travel through the electron shell. Basically a shockwave of energy travels through it like a soundwave. And that's longitudinal propagation. And interesting enough, the way the sound equivalent of light propagates versus normal, squiggly up and down transverse electromagnetic waves is quite significant in that transverse electromagnetic waves—the ones we all know about and read about in our physics books at school—all travel at the speed of light, whereas longitudinal electromagnetic waves, which are just another texture of the same thing, but they move like a soundwave rather than a squiggly pulse going down a skipping rope kind of fashion.
They travel at pi by two times the speed of light. So they actually travel faster. So when your little photon comes along and meets the valence shell of an atom, it causes the energy to be transmitted through the shell and then re-emitted as another photon on the other side of the atom as it carries on its way, but it travels that tiny, tiny distance faster than the speed of light by a factor of pi by two, so it actually emits the photon out of phase with the squiggly up and downness of the wave that went in. So if the whole universe was traveling along and hadn't encountered any matter, all the wave fronts of all the light would be all in sequence. And that's generally kind of what happens until you meet particular types of material where you get an interaction where the energy is transmitted as a phonon, re-emits a photon, and that photon is just slightly out of phase from the rest of the light that's coming along as information and energy through the rest of the universe. That phase difference is the force that is gravity. Nothing more, nothing less.
And if it's in advance of the wave front, it's perceived as gravity, and if it's retarded from the wave front through other processes, then it's experienced as magnetism. And that fundamental process is now becoming understood. And once you've understood that process—and I'm sure there are people that aren't in present mainstream science that have understood this some time ago—that's the basis of how you start making ships that have gravitational, either reduction or propulsion. You can then start designing metamaterials for instance that are particularly good at generating gravitational disturbances. And then you have a whole range of new, kind of new horizon technologies for gravitational propulsion. And that stuff's out there. I mean, I saw this stuff flying around in the 1970s. And it had to be ours or somebody else's, but I really wanted to know how it worked. And that's what originally drove me, and it seems now, things I see flying around, it looks like we have it. Or at least part of our society has it. And it's now becoming a fully developed technology.
John: Go ahead, Linda.
Linda: WIN, WOULD THIS HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH PHYSICIST LISA RANDALL'S WORK AT HARVARD UNIVERSITY IN WHICH SHE IS TRYING TO FIND AND UNDERSTAND WHAT SHE CALLS 'DARK PHOTONS' IN A UNIVERSE WHERE WE'RE USED TO THINKING IN TERMS OF LIGHT PHOTONS. BOHM, THE PHYSICIST, SAID ALL MASS IS FROZEN LIGHT, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE LIGHT ITSELF, OR AT LEAST PHOTONS, ARE MUCH MORE COMPLICATED IN TERMS OF BEING A YIN AND A YANG, A BRIGHT AND A DARK. HOW WOULD THAT RELATE TO THE FLIPSIDE BEING GRAVITY?
Winston: Oh, absolutely correct. From our point of perception, if you rotate the phase angle of your photon from the wave front we're on to where you're fully gravitational, it goes black. It literally goes black.
And this is also the same phasing effect you see with things coming in and out of this reality using portal technology. It seems to be that there is this component, that, yeah, you get these dark particles. So, yeah. One hundred percent correlation.
John: So Win, I want to bring this up now because you brought it up that we may have some of this technology. And I want to go down this path. Chuck DeCaro has been on our show a couple of times. (Former CNN investigative reporter of RAF Bentwaters/Woodbridge phenomena.) He hinted— and when I first talked to Chuck, I started understanding what he was trying to tell me. And I think a lot of people, it will go right over their head because they want to believe in one thing, and there's so many options that can play into what we're dealing with why this is being kept secret and where we're going to head with this. But he hinted that a lot of what we're seeing to include, you know, that they saw something but I forget where it was—was it in Pennsylvania?—that may go back to the Nazi Bell.
But a lot of it is technology that we've gleaned from somewhere that we are now incorporating into our weapons. And a lot of what would still be R and D, and it would still be non-operational weapons, some of it—or craft—some of it could actually be operational is still being kept secret because one of the things that came out from Robert Evans was they kept the stealth fighter quiet until '88 when in reality he saw—and the British themselves, MOD, have F-117s flying over the UK in 1979 testing out the British radars. So does that correlate that yes, there is technology out there flying around that we've developed from something else? And could this technology not be some of the energy fields that were directly in Rendlesham forest?
Winston: Yeah. I think there's a very strong possibility. If you look at the progression—path of aircraft—and I've worked on some pretty advanced aircraft in my time, then yeah, you can see how that technology is at the forefront of next generation equipment—mass reduction through gravitational interference. You've seen the whole TR series with contained rotating plasma disruption. You've seen those things go onto more sophisticated, almost—as you say—like a phased array kind of metamaterial generation of gravitational fields. That's technology that, you know, you see around. I've seen them myself. I've seen them escorted by authorities. I've seen that stuff flying around our airspace, so yeah. We've definitely had a handle on this. We've definitely been developing it. And I've seen it develop in the last 20 years in my lifetime. And the other interesting thing is you plot the curve of how that technology has advanced, as I've seen it out there in the real world just flying around, then also the nature of UFO incidents that I've, you know, filmed, observed, has changed.
At the start of that curve of development, an awful lot of the activity was near ground level. And, you know, it was comparatively low overflights on a regular basis. As that technology's advanced, the filming I've done of craft has moved further and further away from the surface of the planet, which would indicate to me that as we've gained technology, we've gained a stronger control over our home terrain. And so we're pushing the boundary fence of where these things can operate further and further away from the surface, which would indicate that our technology's going up in a bell curve, absolutely.
John: OK. So I think where I'm going with this next is this, simply. Are we dealing with something mostly from the future coming back?
And for whatever reason we found a way to open it up, or they're trying to communicate with us? Or are we dealing with something from somewhere else? Or is it both?
Winston: I think it's both and more. I think the main driver of the incident that you experienced was ourselves from a potential future that didn't impinge upon ours until they made it. It was a nearby timeline. They had a problem in that timeline because there's was simply the quantum extrapolation of what happened when somebody pressed the button instead of not pressing the button. And it put them in a very bad survival situation. Now, with sufficient technology there's only one solution to cure it. And that was to try and find the materials that could fix their damage. And, you know, you guys were it. So yeah, I could see that. And I could also see that, you know, there could be all sorts of effects that are going on that there are exo-political positions between all these forces, whether they're human based, timeline based, trans-dimensional.
All these things are playing in the background, so there's no clear concise view of what's happening at any time because so many different species of different textures, natures, and dimensions all have an interest on what's playing out in their backyard.
Linda: WIN, I'M LOOKING AT AN ELECTROMAGNETIC SPECTRUM GRAPHIC, AND I'M LOOKING AT EXACTLY WHERE TERAHERTZ IS DEFINED. AND IT IS INTERESTING TO ME THAT WHEN YOU DO HAVE THIS IN FRONT OF YOU AND YOU'RE SEEING THAT WE'RE GOING FROM ONE KILOMETER CYCLES UP TO ONE METER, ONE METER UP TO ONE MILLIMETER IN MICROWAVE, AND THEN ONE MILLIMETER BECOMING SMALLER AS WE GET INTO INFRARED, AND THAT WHERE TERAHERTZ IS ON THIS ELECTROMAGNETIC FREQUENCY GRAPH, IT ACTUALLY IS IN A DARK AREA THAT IS BETWEEN INFRARED AND MICROWAVE ON THE GRAPHIC.
MEANING THAT IT'S NOT EXACTLY ONE OR THE OTHER. IT IS IN BETWEEN. AND IN READING ABOUT TERAHERTZ, I'M BEGINNING TO GET THE IMPRESSION THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WAS NOT STUDIED VERY MUCH UNTIL REALLY ONLY THE LAST DECADE. AND THAT IT IS UNFOLDING ALL KINDS OF MYSTERIES ABOUT THIS FREQUENCY, AND I AM HOLDING A HEADLINE IN SCIENCE DAILY THAT SAYS, "CAN YOUR SMART PHONE SEE THROUGH WALLS? ENGINEERS MAKE TINY, LOW COST, TERAHERTZ IMAGER CHIP." AND IT SAYS, "A SECRET AGENT IS RACING AGAINST TIME. HE KNOWS A BOMB IS NEARBY. HE ROUNDS A CORNER, SPOTS A PILE OF SUSPICIOUS BOXES IN THE ALLEY AND PULLS OUT HIS CELL PHONE.
AS HE SCANS THE BOXES, THEIR CONTENTS APPEAR ONSCREEN. IN THE NICK OF TIME, HIS HANDY SMART PHONE APPLICATION REVEALS AN EXPLOSIVE DEVICE, AND THE AGENT SAVES THE DAY. DOES THAT SOUND FARFETCHED? WELL, IN FACT IT IS A REAL POSSIBILITY THANKS TO TINY, INEXPENSIVE SILICON MICROCHIPS DEVELOPED BY A PAIR OF ELECTRICAL ENGINEERS AT CAL-TECH. THE CHIPS GENERATE AND RADIATE HIGH FREQUENCY ELECTROMAGNETIC WAVES CALLED TERAHERTZ WAVES THAT FALL INTO A LARGELY UNTAPPED REGION OF THE ELECTROMAGNETIC SPECTRUM BETWEEN MICROWAVES AND FAR INFRARED RADIATION AND THAT CAN PENETRATE A HOST OF MATERIALS WITHOUT THE IONIZING DAMAGE OF X-RAYS. WE EXPERIENCE IT WHEN WE GO THROUGH THE MONITORS AT THE AIRPORT, BUT WE ARE NOW TALKING ABOUT USING THIS STRANGE TERAHERTZ FREQUENCY ON THE ELECTROMAGNETIC SPECTRUM THAT CAN SEE THROUGH MATTER TO STUFF ON THE INSIDE," MEANING THAT TERAHERTZ, IN SOME WAYS, CAN HELP US SEE THROUGH WALLS AND EVERYTHING. LIKE ETs.
Winston: Yeah. It's a natural technology for it. And as you say, it's an area that researchers only really, really quite recently have started to focus upon. So it's quite probable that back in the original timeline of the Rendlesham Forest incident, if you were experimenting with microwave technologies, you were experimenting with frequencies that were on the threshold of terahertz. And if you're using conventional EM waves in an actual environment, then yes, there's going to be some dispersion, so there will be effects bleeding into the terahertz range and then maybe terahertz effects that really weren't understood then. So you may have overlooked the effect of strong accidental terahertz re-radiation by processes that are nearby in the microwave zone. So who knows?
John: Now Win, if in fact there was an interaction—now when I say an interaction, we went out into the forest—there was several different ones of us went into the forest. There was only three of us—well, I say four because I think Cabansag was a lot closer than what's been stated. But there was definitely myself, Penniston, and Bustinza. Now, we got close to this. They would want to study the effects of how it affected us based on that I disappeared twice in it, Penniston had some kind of download, which would lead to communications, and then also Bustinza's got some kind of rash, which he got from reaching into the fog around it. So they would want to understand that, too, possibly because if they were creating craft that were using terahertz radiation, that they were flying, that they could go into space, gravitics, the whole thing, would that—they were trying to learn how to protect the people flying it from being damaged, correct?
Winston: Yeah. They'd want to know how it affected people exposed to it, so they'd want to know how it affected reasoning, brain function, reaction times, and especially if there was any physical tissue damage. So if it—they may have put you into an environment. It could not actually be theirs. It could be somebody else's environment, but they know it generates those effects to see how you came out. It could be as simple as that.
John: Right. And one of the things is that with that MRI stuff I posted today on Facebook, correct?
Winston: Yeah. Absolutely. The Frey effect. Now, the effect that Jim had where he had the download could be a highly technological version of the Frey effect.
And it could be that the technology that he encountered could be designed to normally communicate with humans of roughly the same structure in that manner. It may just be a preferred interface in that time. You know, we have keyboards and mice and what have you now, but from their point of technology, they may simply prefer to talk to it mind to computer. And that's how it normally communicates. But to do so, it simply identifies something that has a mind operating in roughly the same frequency range and then communicates with it by computer.
John: So in my hypnosis, it says that it telepathically communicated with us. So that would be—how would that work? Can you explain that?
Winston: That would be synthetic telepathy. That would be the computer simply communicating directly with the electromagnetic system of your mind. And it would use whatever energy it's generating in a form of the Frey effect that is communicating. And the Frey effect would be mostly microwave, but it could similarly be in the terahertz range, theoretically.
That it could produce coded pulses, which are going to the brain. It then measures the response back from the brain and synchronizes with it and interprets it so it can communicate directly. And that may be exactly what happened to Jim. He just happened to have the right sort of brain in the right sort of area.
John: But would that be from us or from them?
Winston: That would be from them. I mean, the them is us in the future, so that's why it would be able to communicate with Jim because it would have roughly the same genetic structure. You know, it would be a commonality to it. Otherwise, they wouldn't have been here in the first place to come and modify and collect the genetics. So it could simply be it recognized Jim as somebody it would normally expect to communicate with. It may be that whoever sent it, that's how they programmed it before they came. And it just recognized Jim as somebody that might be giving it an order. So it just simply interrogated Jim and made the statement when it made the handshake with Jim's brain.
John: Now, could it drop stuff in the brain that could come out at a later time? Like, in other words, it would give him a message, but it could come out at different times in the brain itself? And how would it affect people's memory?
Winston: Well, it's known that strong microwave and terahertz radiation can cause memory loss, i.e. temporary memory loss or lost time kind of effects, or distortion of time as perceived. So that may be part of it, but what you're suggesting is something quite specific and quite sophisticated, and I don't know if the device was targeted to do that. It may just be something that simply happened. It may be that chemical pathway in Jim's brain that prevented the memory from passing from one part of the brain to the other until some other process later in his life triggered it. Hard to say. It doesn't sound to have been specifically locked into an area of his brain. It sounds as though it was a process that caused a dysfunction that perhaps then released at a later date the information that he would have been aware of at the time.
John: In theory, it could put a message in somebody and keep it from being triggered until later on. Like, say for example, Jim got some of the message, some of it later, somebody else out there may have gotten an important piece of the message that would not come to light until years later. Is that possible?
Winston: It's possible, but I don't think it had the intent of doing that. I don't think it was organizing the brain to do that. I think it simply—it sent a simple that it would expect a return from, a kind of handshake, and that the strength of it and the proximity to it with Jim probably caused some kind of localized brain lockout of that information, which eventually broke down and Jim became aware of it. Maybe seconds, minutes, hours, days, years later. It depends what the chemical pathway it affected. We know that kind of high energy terahertz radiation can disrupt brain function, and it can cause physiological changes in organs like the brain and the heart, so those things are quite possible I would say.
Linda: WIN, WHY WOULD IT BE THAT JOHN BURROUGHS, THE ONLY HUMAN BEING IN RENDLESHAM FOREST DECEMBER 26-28, 1980, WHO EYEWITNESSES SAY WAS ENGULFED WITH LIGHT TWICE, AND YET JOHN CAN'T REMEMBER ANY OF THE DETAILS IN THOSE LIGHT EVENTS?
Winston: It could be that the strength of the terahertz radiation at the time disrupted Jim's brain temporarily and its ability to perceive the actual operations. The timeline of the internal narrative may have been disrupted.
Linda: YOU MEAN JOHN BURROUGHS.
Winston: John, yes. Not Jim. John, rather, yes. And I would say that it probably was trying to sample and identify the best target for getting the best quality material that it could at the time. And I would say that it probably selected John. It probably decided that that was, you know, the strongest genetic stock and the best chance of something they have to repair themselves with. So it probably communicated with Jim, but I think that it targeted John.
Linda: JOHN, PERHAPS IF YOU SAW THE FUTURE 40,000 YEARS OUT, THAT THERE IS A PLANET AND IT IS ALL YOU EVERYWHERE.
John: That's scary, but I want to elaborate on something, Win. Because one of the interests that's been in me—and this has come from the intelligence people, too—is that I'll remember something in the future. Is that very possible? Even in my hypnosis, it says they'll be back for me at some point.
Winston: Yeah, I think it's possible. You've got to understand that the thing we saw 30 years later was an echo of something that from its perspective had been there the day before. So its timeline could be quite stretched out from our perspective. So, yeah.
John: And like Interstellar (Hollywood movie), 40,000 years in the future is a lot to us, but it's not so much to the future, is it? Is that correct?
Winston: Now, on a geological scale, it's no time. Yeah. It's what, about eight percent of the species length of Homo sapiens sapiens on the planet? It's not a great deal, but that's a big transformation for them to go through if is correct in a short period of time. So yeah, I quite look forward to a planet full of Johns. It would be a nice place. (LAUGHS)
John: And I hate to cut you off, but we're out of time. Win, I really appreciate your coming on and I really would love to bring you back again in the future and get more into the technology end and stuff. Would you be interested in doing that?
Winston: Of course I would. It would be great fun.
Linda: THANK YOU, WIN!
Winston: Thank you, Linda! And thank you, John.
John: Oh, Win, it was just great. Thanks.
Winston: It's great to talk with you guys again as well.”
Part 2 ends at 53:59
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Winston Keech with Earthfiles Reporter and Editor
Linda Moulton Howe in Woodbridge, England, on
December 28, 2010, during Ancient Aliens TV production
of 30th anniversary return to Rendlesham Forest after still-mysterious military
encounters with lights and beam phenomena December 26-28, 1980.
Also see:
October 30, 2014 Earthfiles: "Project CONDIGN and Updated - USAF Tech Sgt. (Ret.) John Burroughs Has Forced U. K. Ministry of Defence to Admit It Withheld At Least 18 Classified UFO Files": https://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=2243&category=Environment
May 4, 2011, Earthfiles: “8,500 More UFO Pages Released by U. K. Ministry of Defence - But RAF Bentwaters Files Are Missing”:
http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1822&category=Environment
NASA Interstellar Warp Drive Research:
http://www.gizmag.com/warp-drive-bubble-nasa-interstellar/24392/
List of all known "Cold War" nuclear bunkers and subterranean complexes in the U. K. |
