Part 1: Earthfiles Special Report with U. K. Electrical Engineer
Winston Keech on PHENOMENON Radio
© 2016 by Linda Moulton Howe
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August 18, 2016 Albuquerque, New Mexico - Retired USAF Tech Sergeant John Burroughs and Earthfiles reporter and editor Linda Moulton Howe interviewed U. K. electrical and mechanical engineer Winston Keech For PHENOMENON Radio on August 11, 2016. Six years ago, Winston was with us and the Ancient Aliens TV production crew December 26-28, 2010, when we traveled to Woodbridge, England, on the 30th anniversary of the now famous unidentified aerial phenomena in the trees and on the ground. John Burroughs is the only former military person in Rendlesham Forest who eyewitnesses said was engulfed in light twice — the early morning hours of December 26 and December 28, 1980. None of us knew on that trip that in a few weeks, John would suffer his first in a series of atrial fibrillations that led to his having to have open heart surgery on December 18, 2013, in order to survive. The answer to repairing John's heart was
Our interview with Winston Keech was about his investigation of electrostatic fields and mysterious objects showing up in infrared that we experienced while searching for the original site of tripod marks, scorched grass and trees.
Interview with mp3 audio and transcript of exclusive 2 hours on Aug. 11, 2016, with John Burroughs, Linda Moulton Howe and Winston Keech on PHENOMENON Radio, co-hosted by John and Linda weekly for Thursday evening broadcasts on db KGRA.
U. K. electrical and mechanical engineer Winston Keech —
who owns The Power Collective in Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England.
Introduction by Linda Moulton Howe,
Reporter and Editor, Earthfiles.com:
The night after Christmas around 3 AM on December 26, 1980 — 36 years ago — USAF Airman 1st Class John Burroughs, USAF Staff Sergeant James Penniston and USAF Airman Ed Cabansag from the RAF Bentwaters/Woodbridge AFB near Woodbridge, England, were in nearby Rendlesham Forest under orders to investigate highly strange and colorful aerial lights.
According to signed and dated statements at the time, John Burroughs and Jim Penniston came close to the lights and a “craft of unknown origin” on the forest floor. Jim Penniston described approaching a 9-foot-long by 6-foot-high triangular object and touching its black, glassy surface. As his fingers went over raised symbols he later compared to “Braille” at the pointed end of the craft, Staff Sgt. Penniston's mind was telepathically flooded with binary code and some information about the intelligence behind the craft and lights.
Airman John Burroughs did not remember the craft or Sergeant Penniston touching symbols. John Burroughs has never been able to fully recall what happened to him that night, but the rumors have long been that he “jumped up on” a craft in the forest or was taken up in a beam of light.
On Christmas morning, December 25, 2010, I joined John and Jim with the “Ancient Aliens” TV production crew to return on the 30th anniversary to Rendlesham Forest for the first time together since the two men encountered lights and high strangeness in the forest after midnight on December 26, 1980. We drove from the East Gate down the same road they had traveled, and eventually ended up at the farm field called Capel Green.
L-R: Former USAF Staff Sergeant James Penniston; Earthfiles Reporter and Editor
Linda Moulton Howe; and former USAF Airman 1st Class John Burroughs searching for the
original December 26, 1980, lights and craft encounter site in Rendlesham Forest
beyond the East Gate of the historic RAF Bentwaters/Woodbridge AFB near Capel Green
during 30th anniversary return to Rendlesham Forest after the still-mysterious military
encounters with lights and beam phenomena December 26-28, 1980.
The UAPs orange dot (Unidentified Aerial Phenomena) in the lower right of the aerial above Rendlesham Forest and RAF Woodbridge and Bentwaters is inside Rendlesham Forest at the edge of a large farm field in which the darker section toward the bottom of this aerial is known as Capel Green. Trees grow along the right side of the large field and make a 90-degree-turn known as "a finger of trees" that grow along
the border of Capel Green and towards the UAPs site that Jim Penniston and John Burroughs thought
was where they had their original encounters with the lights and black, triangular craft around 3 AM on December 26, 1980, the first of three nights in a row of dramatic military interactions with
lights and beam phenomena in that forest site near Capel Green.
I had asked my friend and U. K. electrical and mechanical engineer Winston Keech — who owns The Power Collective in Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England — to join us with his infrared, nightwatch, and timelapse cameras as well as his TriField meter that can measure microwave, magnetic and electric fields. Around midnight going into December 26th, 2010, Winston and I walked with the TriField meter into the large open space that parallels Rendlesham Forest. Near the center of the field, the meter pulsed and both of us felt electrostatic energy on our backs, necks and heads.
After our midnight encounter with the strong electrostatic energy, John and Jim decided to walk together in the same field. At the end of a finger of trees that grow in Capel Green toward Rendlesham Forest, the TriField meter pegged with a loud noise as high as it could go in both the electric and electrostatic range.
After this short break, electrical engineer Winston Keech joins us on PHENOMENON Radio to talk about that intense electrostatic field he detected on his TriField meter and his later study of terahertz frequencies described in the Ministry of Defense’s own Condign Report as frequencies that are emitted from Unidentified Aerial Phenomena, which can manipulate human minds and damage human tissues.
Commercial Break
Linda Moulton Howe: Welcome, Win, to PHENOMENON Radio with John Burroughs and me. It's been awhile since we've been together in the matter world, but I still remember vividly as we walked out into that field going toward the Capel Green direction. All of a sudden, you and I both felt in our hair and our skin what had to be the electrostatic energy you were seeing peg on your Trifield Meter.
Winston Keech's TriField meter pegged out at maximum high
making a loud noise on both December 26 and 27, 2010, after midnight
at a site near the end of the grove of trees surrounding a watery
marsh. Both times, John Burroughs was near the meter.
I wonder if you could start for the general world audience now remembering your own investigation and starting with that walk and what you think was happening on that night, December 26, 2010, when the Ancient Aliens TV crew was filming us. But at that time (of electrostatic field encounter), it was just you and me out in that big field when we were suddenly astonished by what happened.
Winston: Yes. Hi, Linda. We always seem to be associated with fields. Obviously, I first met you through the crop circle fields of Wiltshire.
Linda: EXACTLY.
Winston: And then to the large field that is Capel Green. Yes, that was a very interesting night. As you correctly introduced, John and Jim were being interviewed at the top of the Capel Green field there, and I was monitoring the area and surveying the area with infrared equipment sort of at the same time because we had a suspicion that something might happen. And if it did, I was your point man to make sure that we recorded it.
And halfway through the interview that I think Jim Penniston was giving at the time, the Trifield meter started to show some abnormal readings, quite powerful ones, which I was alerted to, and I think I alerted you to as well. And I kind of snuck off initially to do a preliminary investigation and some initial measurements and try to triangulate roughly where it was coming from.
Linda: DO YOU REMEMBER THAT WE BOTH HAD A SIMULTANEOUS REACTION TO FEELING PHYSICAL ELECTROSTATIC ENERGY?
Winston: We did, we did! Once I'd identified roughly in the field where it was coming from, obviously we sort of grouped up and you and I marched across the field towards it, monitoring with the meter as we went.
And it was going up pretty much exponentially as we approached it. And I would say about 40 yards from where the object was emanating this energy, it became so strong that the hairs on my arms were standing up, and I think on yours. (Laughs)
Linda: YES! (laughs)
Winston: It was very, very tangible, tingling, electrostatic energy. Very powerful. And from that point forward, the meter started to go off scale, and so powerfully so that I was actually concerned for you that as we approached much closer there might be physical effects. And yes, very interesting indeed.
Linda: AND WINSTON, WE WENT BACK, AND WE TOLD THE GROUP—ANCIENT ALIENS AND JOHN AND JIM—ABOUT WHAT WE HAD EXPERIENCED. THEN JOHN AND JIM DECIDED THEY WOULD GO OUT (TO THE FIELD) BY THEMSELVES.
JOHN, I WONDER IF YOU COULD TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU REMEMBER?
John Burroughs: As far as when we went out into the field?
Linda: YES.
John: Well, in that particular case when we went out, it just seemed like once we got closer down there by the finger of trees, we got down in that general vicinity, whether it was left or right or center of the trees, that the meter just pegged. It just went off the scale. Farther back, there was very little, if any, kind of reaction to the meter. Win, one thing that I think people will bring up—and this was discussed once before and maybe you can clarify. There was transmission—high-powered transmission—I shouldn't say high-powered. There was some electrical lines down there. The equipment you were using would have not been affected by them would they?
Winston: It's shielded from that. There was an 11,000 volt, main 50 hertz high-tension wire running across the corner of that field.
But the meter we were using was specifically designed for very low frequency and static—electrostatic fields. So it's filtered out by several orders of magnitude from signals in the range of 50 or 60 hertz. It's—this is looking for things no higher than 14 hertz. And typically it's looking for static, scalar type fields.
John: OK. So based on that, what exactly do you think we were—that monitor was reading or whatever—you know how the monitor works. Was exactly type of field were we dealing with, and based—also, possibly, where was that field originating at?
Winston: OK. Well, based from the model I formed in my head as I took the samples, it was forming what's called a soliton field, which is a scalar field generated standing wave, almost like—almost like a cymatic reaction pattern.
[ Editor's Note: Soliton is a pulselike wave that can exist in nonlinear systems, does not obey the superposition principle, does not disperse and can travel long distances with little loss of energy or structure.
Scalar waves are also called 'electromagnetic longitudinal waves', 'Maxwellian waves', or 'Teslawellen' ('Tesla waves'). Variants of the theory claim that Scalar electromagnetics (also known as scalar energy) is the background quantum mechanical fluctuations and associated zero-point energies.]
So you're looking at kind of circular ring fence patterns regularly from a scalar source with a low frequency modulation which is causing the standing wave.
And that's what's normally known as a soliton field. And that's what we were looking at. That's the kind of field you expect from the kind of equipment you would expect Mr. Tesla to be playing with.
Linda: WIN, COULD YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN FOR A GENERAL AUDIENCE A BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT A SOLITON IS IN RELATIONSHIP TO SCALAR WAVES?
Winston: Yes. A soliton is—how can I put it? It's like a sound standing wave but in a scalar electric field. So this is where you have a field that's unlike the transverse propagation we're more aware of as Maxwell defined. You also have a field which actually comes to a coherent focus, but also has propagation properties that are similar to either sound waves or smoke rings depending on how they're projected. And if you can imagine the field being one container of—like a jam jar, and you're putting a sound modulation in the middle, this standing wave, little rings of modulation peaks there are produced by the wave propagation.
And that's what we're seeing. So we're seeing like little circular ring fence peaks around the sort of focus of the emanations. And this is characterized specifically by longitudinal wave propagation. This is not an EM wave propagation effect. So it's not normal radio waves. It's not the normal kind of electricity you're used to. This is more like an electrostatic field.
Linda: WHAT DO YOU SPECULATE COULD BE THE SOURCE?
Winston: Well, the source was actually invisible. It was invisible to the naked eye, and it was invisible to far and infrared. But it was very well defined in terms of its electric profile. And it's the kind of profile that you would get if you had a strong radiating plasma source, for instance.
Now, there are plasma sources that are nonvisible. Dark plasmas. It could be that kind of effect, but it would seem to be an artificial field by an object that had all the texture of some kind of plasma object radiating a longitudinal wave field.
Linda: THAT BRINGS UP THAT ISSUE OF TWO NIGHTS LATER ON DECEMBER 28, 2010, YOU SUBMITTED TO ME TO USE AT EARTHFILES A REALLY GOOD REPORT OF WHAT WE WERE DOING THOSE THREE DAYS AND NIGHTS IN THE RENDLESHAM FOREST. HERE'S A QUOTE FROM YOUR REPORT. THIS IS ON THE NIGHT OF DECEMBER 28TH BETWEEN MIDNIGHT AND SUNRISE, AND YOU WERE BACK THERE WITH EQUIPMENT.
'THE FIELD'—MEANING THE FIELD IN CAPEL GREEN—'WAS STILL QUITE LITERALLY ELECTRIC. THE EM FIELD METER WAS AT FULLSCALE DEFLECTION RIGHT ACROSS THE FIELD, AND BY A SPOT AT THE EDGE OF THAT TREE FINGER IT WAS NOT ONLY OFF SCALE, BUT IT WAS SOUNDING AN AUDIBLE ALARM AT A CONTINUOUS INTENSITY THAT WAS UNPRECEDENTED IN MY EXPERIENCE, AND IN FACT QUITE ALARMING.'
L-R: Light orange straight path from left turn off logging road going east toward the open field.
Red circle in area where John Burroughs reported the TriField meter pegged at highest level
after midnight on December 26 and 27, 2010, in the smaller southern field known as
Capel Green. Blue circle marks the watery marsh in the finger of trees that would explain
why both John Burroughs and Jim Penniston reported getting wet during their December 26, 1980,
3 AM, encounter with the lights and craft. White circle marks the third house that has animals.
Orange circle marks the second house directly across the field from the picnic table and
UFO signs (pink circle) of what John and Jim now say is not the correct location
of their encounter. Yellow circle marks the first house.
Graphic overlay of Google map by Earthfiles.
YOU WENT ON TO SAY THAT YOU WITNESSED—ALONG WITH JOHN, I BELIEVE— PING-PONG SIZED BALLS OF BLUE-WHITE LIGHT THAT APPEARED AMONG THE TREES IN FRONT OF YOU AS YOU WERE MOVING ALONG THAT FINGER OF TREES.
Winston Keech: “Both John Burroughs and I independently witnessed ping pong-sized
balls of blue/blue-white light appear amongst the trees in front of us and move briskly
through the ‘tree finger.’” Time lapse image © 2010 by Winston Keech.
YOU CONCLUDED THAT THE AREA THAT WAS SO ENERGIZED THAT IT WAS PRODUCING POCKETS OF CHARGED AIR THAT WERE EMITTING A BLUE GLOW. THAT'S A QUOTE FROM YOU AND YOUR REPORT, AND I HAD A PHOTOGRAPH—HAVE A PHOTOGRAPH STILL AT EARTHFILES STILL SHOWING THE BLUE LIGHTS MOVING THROUGH THE TREES, AND THOSE ANOMALOUS ORANGE-RED LIGHTS THAT YOU WERE ABLE TO GET WITH YOUR EQUIPMENT. TODAY LOOKING BACK, WHAT DO YOU THINK ALL THAT WAS ABOUT IN THAT THIRD NIGHT THAT WE WERE THERE?
Winston: Absolutely, yes. Even the visible light cameras picked up the blue, ping-pong ball sized balls of what looked like bright, glowing plasma. A very, very clear effect. Very energetic. My best estimate of what we were experiencing was there was an object that was actually trans-dimensional there and we were seeing a bleed-through of energy from something that isn't quite in our reality. It's just phase shift from it, but the energetic field of it is interpenetrating a field here, and it's connecting with the ground energy of the site, the telluric currents that flow beneath the ground. And I believe that the little ping-pong balls of light were actually the interaction between the scalar energy field and the natural telluric currents of the area.
Linda: AGAIN, CAUSED BY WHAT?
Winston: That's the $10,000 question. We couldn't touch it. We couldn't taste it. We couldn't feel it. Or I couldn't. The cameras couldn't detect it, but they could detect the energetic effects of it.
It happens to be that it was in the same spot, approximately, that everybody claims one of the nights of the event 30 years previously occurred, so it may well be that it is something that in a different temporal frame and dimensional state that is still present from that event.
Linda: JOHN, WASN'T IT YOUR EXPERIENCE — I THINKS ON THAT THIRD DAY OR NIGHT — THAT YOU SAID TO WIN AND ME AND SOME OTHERS, 'I THINK THE ENERGY IS NOW GONE FROM THE FIELD.'
John: Yeah, correct. To sum it up, Win was back because he was out at night. We were out in that area doing, actually filming for the show. We were working on trying to coordinate where, based on statements and everything else, the closest area could have been to where on the first night when Sergeant Penniston and I were out in the field where we had our actual encounter.
While we were doing that—and Linda, I think maybe you could add to this prior to the ending of it—was all of a sudden Penniston had a reaction. Why don't you describe what happened with Penniston when he got down in that area?
Linda: YES. THIS WAS REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE IN THE BEGINNING ON THE FIRST DAY AND THE SECOND DAY, I THINK, YOU AND JIM AND ALL OF US, WE WERE DISORIENTED ABOUT BEING THERE IN THE FOREST. THE ROADS AND VARIOUS THINGS HAVE CHANGED OVER THE THREE DECADES, SO IT WAS NOT EXACTLY CLEAR WHICH WAY TO GO. IT TOOK A WHILE FOR YOU AND JIM TO START. AND ESPECIALLY YOU. I REMEMBER HOW EXCITED YOU BECAME ON, I BELIEVE IT WAS THE NIGHT AFTER WIN AND I HAD FIRST FELT AND HE HAD SEEN THE TRIFIELD METER WITH THAT BIG ELECTROSTATIC PULSE, AND THEN YOU AND JIM WENT OUT INTO THE FIELD.
I THINK YOU STAYED UP ALL NIGHT. YOU WERE EXCITED BY A RUSH OF LOOKING AT SOME OF THE MAPS THAT I HAD. YOUR OWN STATEMENT THAT YOU HAD WRITTEN BACK AFTER THE DECEMBER 26, 1980, NIGHT IN RENDLESHAM FOREST. AND IT BEGAN COMING TOGETHER IN YOUR HEAD IN A NEW AND MORE DETAILED WAY.
YOU SAID, 'I NOW REMEMBER,' AND YOU WERE REMEMBERING MUCH MORE CLEARLY THE LOW FENCE OF WIRE, TRIPPING OVER IT. YOU WERE REMEMBERING OTHER THINGS THAT BEGAN TO DRAW US WITH THE ANCIENT ALIENS TV PRODUCTION CREW DOWN TO THE BIG FIELD WALKING MORE TOWARD CAPEL GREEN.
THEN FINDING THAT FENCE. WE WERE DOING INTERVIEWS ALONG THE WAY. WE WERE NOW ALL OF US REALIZING THAT YOU GUYS WERE PUSHING THE DIRECTION THAT WE WERE GOING FURTHER AND FURTHER TOWARD CAPEL GREEN. ALL OF A SUDDEN WE SAW JIM PENNISTON START MOVING IN A DIFFERENT WAY IN THE TREES THAT ARE AT THE EDGE OF CAPEL GREEN. WHAT I REMEMBER IS WE HAD ALL BEEN MORE OR LESS STOPPING AND STARTING AND TALKING AND DOING BITS AND PIECES OF INTERVIEW WITH THE ANCIENT ALIENS CREW. ALL OF A SUDDEN, JIM WENT SORT OF AHEAD AND STARTED WALKING IN A VAGUE CIRCLE WITH HIS ARMS AND HANDS OUT. THAT'S WHAT I REMEMBER. AND THAT AS HE DID THAT, HE BEGAN TO TALK.
INSTEAD OF SPEAKING ABOUT THE PAST, THE TENSE OF HIS WORDS SWITCHED TO THE PRESENT. AND WE ALL STOOD THERE TRANSFIXED WHILE JIM SEEMED TO BE MOVING INTO A SOMEWHAT ALTERED STATE AS HE WAS DESCRIBING SUDDENLY IN PRESENT TENSE ABOUT THE LIGHTS, THE CRAFT, EVERYTHING. AND YOU WERE STANDING SORT OF ON THE PERIMETER WATCHING AS WELL.
JOHN, MAYBE WHAT YOU CAN DO IS TELL US WHAT YOUR REACTION WAS TO SEEING JIM PENNISTON SEEMINGLY MOVING FROM REMEMBERING THE PAST TO BEING IN THE PRESENT.
John: Well, that was the shocking thing to me because you guys were standing back. And I know you weren't there, Win, but I'll follow up. I've got something I want to ask you about. You guys were standing back about where the berms were that he started remembering how we kind of stumbled going over the berms, which is also what I remembered.
And I was standing back on the fence side in the field. Now, when Penniston came charging forward, he all of a sudden transformed from—almost like he was there. It was like it was really happening again. The whole thing was taking place. But as—and I've never said this publicly, but I might as well bring it up now. There were two things that happened that were strange. And now, one of the things that I'll bring up is this is all on film, folks. So you can sit there and say, 'Oh, we're recreating or talking about something there's no proof of.' But this was all filmed. As a matter of fact, a piece of it made it in on one of the Ancient Aliens shows. He started walking around in the forest like he was reliving the whole thing. But as he did that, I saw a bright, white flash of light that started to appear from my left because I was watching him. It came in, and it actually, like it expanded around Jim.
Where he was like reliving walking around, or whatever was happening. So there was no object there at all. So there was no craft or anything else, but he was acting like there was something there. And it was like he went back in time, or maybe he didn't. Maybe it was just happening again. And he walked around it and described the whole thing. And then, towards the end of it—and this is where it gets creepy, Win. Maybe you can help me with this, too. I saw what appeared to be a fuzzy, dark face.
Winston: Ha!
John: That came in on that—into the white light and was there. And about that time is when they got a picture of me. I didn't know they were filming me. The look on my face was, 'What?' And then all of a sudden it was over and the white light just retreated back along with whatever this—it was like a really, really faint black. Like really faint and fuzzy and a faint face, retreated back and disappeared.
And it came to me that whatever was there the night we were out there at that point was gone. It just was gone. So whatever happened with Penniston, and I guess with me standing there also. After that took place, whatever the energy field was was gone, and what I remember happening was saying that everybody looked at me like I lost my mind. I didn't talk about the white light so much or the face. And we came back to the hotel and I told you it was gone. And you didn't believe it either. And so if you want to take it from there, Win.
Winston: I definitely will. And I think I can help you with this. I'd been asleep then because I'd been doing the night watches with the night surveillance equipment, so you guys had gone out during the day. And I remember you coming back to the hotel, and you said, 'It's gone. The energy's gone.' And I thought, 'Well, it can't do. There's something in that field that's very powerful. It can't just have gone.' So I drove straight out with the truck.
And I took the equipment into the field. And the energy was gone. It was back to normal, back to ground levels that you expect. You pick up small fluctuations every six feet approximately. It's called the Hartmann Grid. That was being detected perfectly. Typical background electrostatic readings. Absolutely gone! Whatever that was, it was enormously powerful. It was off the scale. And it had gone. So you were correct, John. Now, the interesting thing you've just described — and you know, you didn't describe that to me at the time because we were kind of like one of those weathervane things, you know. I come out at night and you guys are out filming during the day. But I've seen that (dark figure). I filmed that in fact with the crop circle work, which is how I first knew Linda.
And in 2008 I filmed practically this very thing you've just described in a crop circle in the Vale of Pewsey. Well, actually, it was before the crop circle. What actually happened was there was the flash of light which you described which came in a zigzag pattern and connected to the ground.
And that caused a slight optical disturbance where this bright ball zigzagged to the ground and from it emerged two dark shapes, which actually were semi-solid. They weren't physically rigid because they moved through the crop at the time, in this case for about 20 minutes. And they actually kind of marked out where a hoax team turned up later. Very peculiar. But there's a hoax team came down one of the tram lines and actually started to physically make a fake crop circle. Only a small one.
Linda: THEY CALLED THEMSELVES TEAM SATAN 666.
Winston: Yeah, Team Satan. That's the one. And they started making this small circle which was known as the basket weave circle. They were kind of trying to knit corn very badly. And did that for about three hours. But the entities that you're describing are the same sort of thing.
Came out of what I can only describe as a portal. It was like a door opening. And the interesting thing was that on the night vision infrared cameras, they were darker than the darkness of the background. They were absolutely blacker than night, and that's how the cameras picked them up. But they were also nonsolid.
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The visible light cameras were monitoring the field all the time. There was no damage at all as they moved through it at that period. They kind of flowed through almost ghostlike. And then they went back to the point where the portal was. There was a second flash, and then they were gone. So yeah, we had that—we had that bang on the camera in 2008, and it caused a lot of controversy at the time when word got out that I'd filmed that. In fact, I was thrown offstage of a headline tour because people didn't know what to make of it, and they were afraid of how it might change the perception of the crop circles. So I was actually asked to leave the stage at the talk I was giving.
Linda: WIN, I AM HOLDING MY JANUARY 2ND, 201, EARTHFILES REPORT AFTER WE GOT BACK FROM ENGLAND IN DECEMBER 2010, AND I'M LOOKING AT THE PHOTOGRAPH THAT IS FROM YOUR INFRARED IMAGE CAMERA.
December 28, 2010, at 2:46 AM, Winston Keech's No. 2 IR wide field cam recorded
two human-sized black figures in the large field. The finger of trees and Capel Green
are in the foreground. IR image © 2010 by Winston Keech.
THIS WAS DECEMBER 28, 2010 AT 2:46 AM, WINSTON KEECH'S NUMBER TWO INFRARED, WIDE FIELD CAM RECORDED TWO HUMAN SIZED BLACK FIGURES IN THE LARGE FIELD RIGHT AT THE END OF THE FINGER OF THOSE TREES. AND IN YOUR REPORT, YOU WROTE, QUOTE, "AT 2:46 AM, THE NUMBER TWO, IR, WIDE FIELD CAM RECORDED TWO HUMAN SIZED BLACK FIGURES IN THE LARGER FIELD APPROACHING THE FINGER OF TREES AND RETREATING.
AS LINDA NOTED WHEN USING ONE IR CAMERA, 'PEOPLE DON'T JUST LOOK BLACK IN IR.' INDEED, CLOTHING THAT IS BLACK OFTEN APPEARS WHITE OR GREY, AND FACES ARE INVARIABLY GREY. WHOEVER THESE PEOPLE WERE, THEY DID NOT REFLECT OR EMIT INFRARED IN A NORMAL WAY, WHICH TO ME SUGGESTS A POSSIBLE MILITARY ORIGIN OR SOME REALLY, REALLY GOOD THERMAL CLOTHING." — MEANING THAT WOULD KEEP THE HEAT IN.
"THAT THIS WAS PROCEEDED BY A SHORT DURATION LIGHT IN THE CENTER OF THE FIELD AT 2:19 AM," WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN ABOUT 25 MINUTES BEFORE THE TWO DARK FIGURES ENDED UP ON YOUR NUMBER TWO, IR, WIDE FIELD CAMERA.
Winston: Yeah. This sounds very consistent. This is very similar to the 2008 event I filmed in Pewsey. It's consistent of the same technology or a variation of it. You have the flash of light, which is kind of like some kind of plasma event. And then you have these dark, not very human looking, people appearing for a short duration and then going again. So, yeah, it sounds exactly like the 2008 event, and it has all the texture of the event that John has just described in daylight for which I wasn't present.
Linda: THE 2008 PHOTOS THAT I HAVE AT EARTHFILES OF THAT EVENT AND WORKED WITH YOU ON, AND THE DECEMBER 28TH, 2010 PHOTOS — THEY LOOK SO SIMILAR, EVEN THOUGH ONE IS IN RENDLESHAM FOREST AND ONE IS OUT IN THE CROP FORMATION IN THE VALE OF PEWSEY.
WIN, WHAT DO YOU THINK COULD BE BEHIND THIS — ARE WE TALKING ABOUT OTHER DIMENSIONS, TIME TRAVELERS, OR FLESH AND BLOOD HUMAN INTEL?
Winston: We're definitely talking some kind of human intelligence that's able to transmit itself between time-space. We're looking—from our perspective the best technology that we know of that can replicate this is the Tesla portal technology that Andrew D. Basiago described so well.
John: OK. Now, Win, I've got to ask a question. When you see these objects on infrared, and you can't see them with the naked eye, they're not solid physical objects then are they? But they're energy?
Winston: Yeah, they're some kind of energy, but they're at such a low frequency of vibration compared to our normal visual field that they've dropped right to the bottom of the infrared range. So they're neither emitting nor absorbing normal light. They're down in the way bottom of the range of infrared. They're heading down almost to the microwave range. They're pretty low down.
John: OK. Did you have something you wanted to ask, Linda, before I ask a couple more questions?
Linda: I JUST WONDERED, WIN, ARE YOU BRINGING UP BASIAG, WHO HAS SAID THAT HE HAS BEEN THROUGH TIME — OR BEEN A TIME TRAVELER THROUGH SOME KIND OF PORTALS?
Winston: Yes. Some years ago when he made his first statements on this, you asked me to have a look and do some due diligence on the technology end of us because I'm a big believer that no matter how accurate the story, the physics never lie. So the devil is in the detail of the physics. So if the physics is consistent and it's reported by somebody who doesn't properly understand the physics, then it gives enormous credence to the story as a starting point. And I did a very in-depth study, and I found that the technology that Andy was describing is in fact completely consistent, which corroborated his story very strongly in my mind.
Linda: DO YOU MEAN THEN THAT YOU THINK THAT THERE COULD BE AN ELECTROMAGNETIC ANOMALY IN THAT CAPEL GREEN AND RENDLESHAM FOREST AREA THAT MAY COME AND GO, PROVOKED PERHAPS BY SOMETHING/SOMEONE THAT IS USING CERTAIN AREAS ON THE EARTH TO COME IN AS TIME TRAVELERS OR OTHER-DIMENSIONAL TRAVELERS?
Winston: Yes. The technology that Andy was describing was largely confined by the fact that it was a point to point system in that you would transmit from a transmitting station to a ground receiving station. And you go in one door and come out the other, basically, in a short tunnel. What we're looking at here has all the hallmarks of being a more advanced version of that technology that has a portable terminus. So I believe that the thing that Jim and John have found in the field was effectively a portable exit. It is something that is used to energetically anchor the time-space projection to that point and also to connect it to the energy system of the planet around it through the ground currents, which Tesla's very, very up on, shall we say.
John: OK, now. All right, here's my question, OK? Because this is where based on several different things, I have always had a feeling that there was some kind of interaction with something, but also that we were involved in it also. You're well aware of technology that was available in 1980, OK? First question before I go into the technology itself—have you ever come across, or are you aware of in any way shape or form, that the military, both the Department of Defense and the MOD would be studying this type of technology?
Winston: Yes, I have. I'm from that era, interestingly enough. We know on the timeline in the mid to late 70s Andrew Basiago was one of the guinea pigs for the experimentation in the States for this kind of technology. No doubt the UK—which if we have nothing else we have plenty of boffins—would be tinkering with a similar sort of thing.
And interestingly in a high strangeness area that I conducted a six-year surveillance with a guy called Mike Freebury. It was an area where there was a high number of UFO incidents, cattle mutilations, sheep mutilations. Very, very strange area. We set up time lapse cameras there. We took over a million photographs in six years.
Linda: WIN, THAT IS DARTMOOR FOREST ON THE WEST END ?
Winston: No, this is a separate site. Mike had previously surveyed Dartmoor. This is in mid-Wales. And this is in a place called the Hafren Forest.
[ Editor's Note: The Hafren Forest lies north-west of Llanidloes, an ancient market town situated in Mid-Wales.]
Now, interestingly, one of the active areas—because of the million photographs we took, we photographed over 1,500 UFOs of all types: triangles, disks, dumbbells. All sort of shapes coming in and out of this thing.
It was like a portal area. And this was the area where the mutilations had been. The farmer—we were on the farm—was glad for us to turn up. When Mike first turned up, he thought he was the insurance guy. He'd lost 10 percent of his herd in one year. You know, of 1,200 animals, he'd lost 120 to mutilation that year. And when we turned up, he was glad to have some surveillance capability to find out what was doing it or to dissuade them. And certainly the numbers dropped off enormously once we set the cameras up. But none the less, it led me to research an area just across from where the activity was occurring in the Hafren Forest. And there I found the remnants of an old British aerospace, BAA Systems research site using high energy plasma weapons in the Hafren Forest, which has all the hallmarks of this kind of technology. And there had been reports there of this being used against triangular craft and certainly there was a portable test site with a very strange plasma generating and projecting antenna system, which had been dismantled by the time we were there.
But I managed to get photos from various sources of the actual site when it was under tests. So yes, that has all the hallmarks of some of the experimenting of that kind of technology in another quite remote part of the UK. So I think along the timeline—and that would be early 80s as well—that there had been interest both by the MOD and certainly US interest stateside, which seemed quite well advanced. And I think people were trying to use plasma systems and longitudinal energy systems to create portal systems for point to point transport and possibly even time travel.
Linda: JOHN, JUST A QUICK QUESTION. WIN, DO YOU MEAN A SECRET WAR BETWEEN UK, U.S. FORCES AND WHATEVER THIS UNKNOWN IS?
Winston: Hard to say. I think it was just simply—I think it's simply just parallel research programs. The UK has a history of doing that. You know, you had the nukes, we made our own. You made rockets, we made our own. So we've always had a history of making our own rather than buying yours. So it's—it looks like one of those projects that had been funded for kind of proof of concept kind of work in a remote area. But it certainly was a high strangeness area, and that's probably why it was picked up in the first place, so I think they were trying to see what kind of interaction they could have for defensive capability for some of the craft that fly in this area, I think.
John: OK, Win, let's set the stage here, OK? Martlesham was there. RAF Bawdsey was there.
Winston: Yeah, yeah, yeah. OK.
John: They have radar systems. They have all kinds of equipment, OK? So on the three nights in 1980—and it's interesting because of the research I've been doing. One of the things—they just did an article. It just came out.
I don't know if you saw it, with one of the newspapers. They talked about they solved the case, or they think they may have solved the case over there where meteors come into the atmosphere and they burn up and they don't completely burn up and that creates a plasma UAP effect. Did you see that article?
Winston: Yeah, yeah, I've seen that. That's one effect, yeah.
John: OK. Now, let's say for example we have—which, I mean, this is not disputable, guys. There's something there in the forest area outside of the gate in Woodbridge out in the forest, OK? There's an energy field of some type. On those three nights, at least two of the three nights, meteors did come in over that area. I believe one of the nights they burnt up in that area, or some of them did. So if the governments were studying this energy field, OK? And they knew these meteors were coming in, which creates a plasma UAP effect, which obviously the field we're dealing with, let's be—I want you to answer this part real quick before I go further.
Would the field we're dealing with create UAPs also?
Winston: It might create something that's perceived of as a UAP. It could produce free traveling plasma balls radiating terahertz radiation, yes.
John: OK. Could it also create—because one of the nights the tower operator said from his tower over at Bentwaters he could see like a whole dome of an orangeish color over the forest area where we were. Could it create something like that also?
Win: That's unlikely. That's something more akin to the soliton field we were describing—that we were detecting in the field with Linda and I.
John: OK. So moving forward with this, OK. So they were aware that these meteors were going to come in. They're also aware of a phenomenon that's in the area, OK. Based on your knowledge of equipment, OK, that's declassified because I'm not saying you know what classified material there is, but if you do, I don't want you to go into that.
Based on what's been declassified today, what type of equipment would the MOD and the Department of Defense be using to study this particular effect and B. would they also be trying—and what I mean by provoke it is not that we're trying to attack it, but that we're trying to do certain things to understand what it could and couldn't do?
Winston: Yeah. They're probably passively measuring as well as they could with the existing radio monitoring technology. They had pretty wideband stuff. They'd also be, I'd imagine, using radio Doppler tracking of the objects. It's some—it's a process astronomers use greatly now for things like the Perseid showers which are going on this week. If you tune to an over the horizon radio station, you can hear the Doppler shift of the radio signal as objects come in and ionize the air.
So those kind of effects would be—would absolutely be used from standard monitoring equipment, the kind of equipment that you would have for instance for monitoring wideband radio emissions for eavesdropping on an enemy, for instance. The kind of aircraft you probably would have leaving from that area, to be honest.
John: So would they be used in like the Elephant Cage at Chicksands at that time?
Winston: That would be perfect for it, yes.
John: OK, now, what about phased arrays?
Winston: Phased arrays are interesting. I live next door to one. I've been inside it even. Phased arrays are very interesting. They—bangs for buck, you get a much higher resolution and discrimination of a signal. They're very good at detecting objects in fence areas. And yeah, far more efficient than the old system. The—previously I lived next door to what was a modified SAGE radar system. They're very powerful, gimballed, primary radar type of tracking radar.
John: Right.
Winston: Now you have the solid state kind of pyramid with the phased array detector. Very sensitive.
Also very powerful. Incredible capability. It can practically take photographs of the things it's looking at, some way out into space. Very, very nice piece of equipment. And very significant. It's obviously looking for launches all over the world to make sure nobody's throwing missiles about that they shouldn't be, but also it's tracking space objects some significant distance out into space.
John: So would SAGE have been available back then in 1980?
Winston: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was quite an old system by then. The SAGE system next to me was put in in '63 and operated through until the early 1980s when it was replaced by the phased array system.
John: OK. So one of the things I've noticed about the phased array systems is that there's two dominant ones, OK? There's a time domain beam former and a frequency domain beam former, correct?
Winston: Yep. Correct.
John: Exactly how—what kind of effect would that have if those were being used at that moment to study not only the meteors—because they would—they could use this equipment to study meteors coming in, the effect it has, would they not?
Winston: Yeah. In theory, you could use these systems actively. You could produce low-grade plasma at the crossing points of those two domains. So you could in theory provide a tracking target that you could use for other systems. So you could direct other energy systems at that target, for instance.
John: OK, so if they were using that type of equipment, OK?
Winston: Yes.
John: And straight up, I mean—you're aware. You've done a lot. You've worked with some scientists and stuff. Was that something—the equipment that existed in the UK at that time, and was it down in the Rendlesham Forest area?
Winston: Did it exist? Yes. Was it in Rendlesham? I don't know. I was working southwestern England at that time.
I was splitting my time between doing the fast track office course in the area and also taking a degree in this kind of stuff. And as you know, it was a degree course of 26 people. Four of them died in the Marconi Deaths from my course. So, we were pretty much on the forefront of it.
John: What were they working—what were the Marconi scientists working on that passed?
Winston: They were working on real-time control of phased conjugate systems for the SDI Star Wars project. And they were also working on AI. Our—the degree course I was on was the first UK degree to specialize in AI systems in real-time modeling.
John: OK.
Linda: WIN, DO YOU THINK THAT THEY WERE MURDERED TO KEEP INFORMATION QUIET OR FOR SOME OTHER REASON?
Winston: I think looking at the pattern it looks very suspicious. It looks as though they were murdered. But some of them may have just cracked up under the stress of what they were doing. I would also imagine there would be a component there. For instance, my electronic systems lab partner was the guy who put a rope around his next and pulled his head off by attaching it to a tree and driving off.
Now, he's not the kind of guy who would do that. So I find that pretty suspicious. And another of the guys I had as a lab partner is one who drowned in two inches of water in Liverpool. And not the sort of thing he'd do either. So unless they had some kind of really major mental breakdown, it does look very suspicious, it must be said.
Linda: WELL, IS THIS SOMETHING LIKE ALTERNATIVE THREE TERRITORY?
Winston: Hard to say. Hard to say. All I know is that my degree was very experimental. It only ran for one year in its form that I experienced it in. It became three separate degrees afterwards. And it was kind of a degree where it crammed in three incredibly different disciplines: artificial intelligence, very largescale integration design, and real-time computing, as well as subsections of things like data processing and real-time control.
But it produced a very specific type of engineering specialist at the time of which there was a very strong shortage in the UK. These are the first people to be trained in AI programming, parallel computing. Of course, we worked very closely with a company called En Masse, which was a pioneer of parallel computing in the UK at that time. And it also produced people who were some of the best C programmers, which was a comparatively new language in the UK. It's used everywhere now. But in the UK, the systems were kind of older legacy systems that didn't have such a powerful programming language. So we were the kind of—we were the wave front of the best of the cutting edge computing applications. And most of the people in my course were immediately taken into military engineering.
And quite a number of them went to Plessey and some of them went to Marconi. Marconi were heading up the data processing, and Plessey were heading up the radar systems at the time. And the big contract at the time was the American Star Wars SDI stuff. How do you get guided particle beam weapons? How do you send the signal to the edge of space without losing the energy? How do you track it? How do you target it? How do you control it? Those were my colleagues, and they were on the forefront of doing that work.
John: So, Win, all right. Now I want to transcend into Condign, OK?
Win: Yes.
John: Are you familiar with the Condign report?
Winston: Yeah. I've read it.
See:
• 04/01/2015 — Update April 1, 2015 - U. K. MoD Delays Once Again Release of 18 Classified UFO Files Admittedly Withheld in FOIA Correspondence with Retired USAF Tech Sgt. John Burroughs.
• 03/13/2015 — Breaking News — This Is Why John Burroughs's Medical Records from RAF Bentwaters/Woodbridge 1979-1982 Are “Classified,” According to Christopher C. Green M.D., Ph.D., FAAFS, Wayne State School of Medicine
• 02/27/2015 — Part 2: Implications of John Burroughs's Full V. A. Medical Coverage from Injury Caused by Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) Radiation at RAF Bentwaters/Woodbridge, Dec. 1980
• 02/27/2015 — Part 1: Implications of John Burroughs's Full V. A. Medical Coverage from Injury Caused by Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) Radiation at RAF Bentwaters/Woodbridge, Dec. 1980
John: OK. What—before we go into some of the details of it, give your overall summary of the points made in it and the report to include the part that was brought up about how the UAP radiation could have affected people in Rendlesham Forest.
Winston: OK. Right. It was quite a broad reaching report, which it studied the effects of what it referred to as UAPs—unidentified aerial phenomena—the energy and emissions from it, how it can affect mental processes and if it can cause physical damage. And the bit we'll be interested in is that it stated categorically in many UAP incidents, there were indications that there were very strong terahertz radiations, some of which, although non-ionizing, could cause damage to parts of the body, including the heart.
John: OK. So based on that report and what you were detecting in Rendlesham Forest, do they correlate at all?
Winston: Very—a possible correlation. I did not have specific terahertz measuring equipment on that evening, but all the energetic effects were down into—far into the infrared range at the very limits of the equipment I had.
Which when you go below that, you're into microwave and then terahertz, so yeah. I think it could well be that the effects we were measuring are the overtone harmonics of the effects that are occurring down at a lower frequency range. And terahertz would be one of those ranges.
John: OK. So one of the things the report goes into—and we touched this briefly in a different show—but could you explain what you would be seeing by the different coloring and what those frequencies mean and how they could be like used in military applications and stuff like that?
Winston: Very interesting. Yeah, obviously the whites are all the brighter or the bluer the object, the higher the frequency of its emanation. So for instance the little blue-white plasma spheres we saw and filmed in the forest are something that's being produced by very energetic and high frequency events.
Whereas the lower, duller, red ones are things that are of a lower frequency range, and therefore are of a lower energy density range. So a lower power range than the blue-white ones. The interesting thing with the plasmas, both the white ones and the yellows ones I've sometimes seen and filmed is that they absolutely were used during development of weapons technology as the steering targets for particle beam weapons. So the plasma is something you can track on radar. But it also more importantly, you can phase conjugate a signal back from it, so you can use it as an automatic compensator, as it were, for the energy stream that you're sending. And once you steer that to its target, then you can connect the energy source that you're trying to deliver to that target with very, very little loss indeed.
And that was one of the tricks that the SDI system had to come up with to stop dispersion of energy when you're transmitting through large swathes of atmosphere that tend to disperse the energy. So yeah, those kind of things are indicative of the kind of technology that you would definitely use to efficiently transmit high energy point to point particle beams.
John: So if you—like for example, what exactly—because the tower operator saw like an energy hue over the forest.
Winston: Yes.
John: There was definitely a white light that was bright then dimmed then bright. One of the things that was brought up was that when you saw the white light, that was actually accelerating and deaccelerating. Is that true? Or can you go a little bit more into that and the energy field and the dome that would create and everything else?
Winston: The dome is described as a soliton field, which is a kind of effect which is often referred to as a Tesla dome. That is something that is indicative of a longitudinal wave shield in the case of Tesla. He envisioned having a high energy shield that particles and aircraft, etc. zeppelins, whatever, couldn't pass through because they would be destroyed by the energy that was in that thin shell. So yeah, the orange sphere definitely has all the hallmarks of Tesla technology. It sounds like a Tesla shield. The white or yellow sphere moving erratically—very indicative of a steered targeting plasma that's interacting with both the local electrostatic energy in the air, but also when it approaches the ground plane where the telluric currents are near the surface of the planet, you tend to get quite erratic movement because the field strength can vary quite considerably within, you know, two meters to two meters.
So, yeah, that sounds like something that's being steered by a computer controlled device, the sort of thing that a phased array system would do. And yeah, yeah, absolutely. It would be some kind of targeting device. It may even be something that's testing the Tesla sphere. Who knows?
Linda: THIS IS A FOLLOW — THERE WERE MORE THAN EYEWITNESSES ON THE NIGHT OF THE 27TH, AS WELL AS THE 28TH, TO A VERY LARGE—IT WAS COMPARED TO THE WAY THE FULL MOON LOOKS TO THE HUMAN MIND AND EYE, BUT IT WAS BRILLIANT RED AND BRILLIANT BLUE MIXED TOGETHER. AND ONE OF THE EYEWITNESSES AT THE EAST GATE, LORI BOWEN, SAID IF YOU TOOK FIRE AND PUT IT IN YOUR HANDS AND TURNED IT INTO A BALL, IT WAS LIKE A BALL OF FIRE MADE OUT OF RED, YELLOW, AND BLUE LIGHT IN THE SKY.
WHAT DOES THAT SEEM TO YOU TO PERHAPS BE RELATED TO IN TERMS OF ALL THESE ISSUES OF FREQUENCIES?
Winston: OK. That sounds like a microwave stimulated but nonetheless the actual basis of the energy system, it is a scalar weapon. It's the type of weapon the Russians are known to be developing from the late 60s, early 70s onwards, and that were known to be one of the drivers for the SDI system in terms of threat assessment because the Russians had stolen the lead on the U.S. in terms of scalar energy technology. But what you're describing is exactly the deployment of a scalar weapon.
John: So, next question. The technology that they were working on, all of this would fit in, first of all, to the 1980 era, correct?
Winston: Yep.
John: OK. Second question. The energy that you observed on your equipment, filmed and everything else, would that play into all this type of weaponry.
Winston: Yeah, but this was—this would be a lower energy equivalent of it. It would be almost like an echo. What you're describing from the 1980 event sounds to be the primary event. But this sounds to be some kind of echo, whether it's dimensional temporal echo or an energetic echo. It is some kind of continuation of that energy signature, but it's in a lower energy form.
John: OK. So where I'm trying to go with is is that if you were trying to create these weapons, you'd have to study and understand what you observed or what you recorded in Rendlesham Forest, correct?
Winston: Yeah. You'd have to have monitoring equipment to give validity to the testing you were doing.
John: OK, so I guess what I'm trying to get at is the stuff that you recorded in 2010 — that would be some of the stuff they would use in the technology they were trying to develop, correct?
Winston: Yeah. I would be using civilian available versions of the kind of equipment they would be using back in 1980.
John: OK. So if in fact—let's just say for example—can you describe a little bit before I go further? When they talk about that meteor shower coming in and the effects it creates, how would that play into—because different people, when there's been meteor showers across the UK have seen different objects and stuff. Can you say how that would play into all of this, or would it?
Winston: Well, interestingly, if it's a normal meteor, then it would be a very short-lived event, so it wouldn't really play into this.
However, are they really meteorites? Because if you have a fast moving steered plasma that's ionizing the atmosphere as it comes through, it would look exactly like a meteorite coming in.
John: Where would that originate from then?
Winston: Hard to say. You'd have to go back to the data of where it was tracked. So you know, the eyewitnesses, you'd have to triangulate where it was coming from. But it sounds from your description as if it's something coming from the upper atmosphere then moving down towards the location.
John: Well, what—there was three different—there was all different kinds of things that went on. So we had stuff that was in the sky that was moving around that was described in the Halt tape. At one point, one of these objects came over the top of them and beamed a beam of like—what he called a pencil-thin white light. What would be that effect?
Winston: That sounds something from a structured craft. That's, you know, laser or maser emission from some kind of structured craft. That isn't a thing you'd expect from a plasma event.
Linda: WIN, I WOULD LOVE A REALITY CHECK ON THIS.
A YEAR AGO FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF ROCHESTER, APRIL 24TH, 2015, REPORTED IN SCIENCE DAILY, "GENERATING BROADBAND TERAHERTZ RADIATION FROM A MICROPLASMA IN AIR," AND THIS IS THE SUMMARY.
"RESEARCHERS HAVE SHOWN THAT A LASER GENERATED MICROPLASMA IN AIR CAN BE USED AS A SOURCE OF BROADBAND TERAHERTZ RADIATION. THEY DEMONSTRATE THAT AN APPROACH FOR GENERATING TERAHERTZ WAVES USING INTENSE LASER PULSES IN AIR CAN BE DONE WITH MUCH LOWER POWER LASERS, WHICH HAS BEEN A MAJOR CHALLENGE UNTIL NOW."
THAT SOUNDS TO SOME DEGREE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
Winston: It does, Linda, in which case the implication is that these pencil beams are coming from the ground and not coming down from the object in the sky.
Linda: IF THEY WERE COMING FROM THAT BIG WHITE LIGHT THAT HALT AND SO MANY MEN—I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING AT LEAST TWO OR THREE DOZEN PEOPLE SAW THIS. THE BIG WHITE LIGHT WAS CLEARLY DESCRIBED BY MULTIPLE PEOPLE OF THE THIN BEAMS OF LIGHT COMING DOWN, AND IT WAS HALT TALKING TO JOHN AND ME FACE TO FACE SAYING THAT IT REALLY SCARED HIM WHEN ONE OF THE BEAMS LANDED ABOUT THREE TO FOUR FEET FROM HIS, COLONEL HALT'S, SHOES. AND HE SAID, 'I DID NOT KNOW WHETHER TO INTERPRET THAT AS AGGRESSION OR NOT.' SO HE IS SAYING THAT THE BEAM CAME FROM THAT BIG BRIGHT WHITE LIGHT OVER RENDLESHAM FOREST DOWN TO THE GROUND.
GIVEN THAT AS MULTIPLE EYEWITNESSES DESCRIBING THAT, AND THEN WORKING BACKWARDS FROM THE PHYSICS WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, WHAT WOULD YOU INTERPRET THAT WHITE BEAM EMITTED FROM THAT WHITE UFO WAS?
“...we were doing the surveillances where green and red spheres of light
were actually firing what could only be described as pencil point laser beams
at each other, and also seemingly scanning the area with them.”
- Winston Keech, U. K. electrical engineer, North Yorkshire, England
Winston: It's interesting. Yes, but based on that description, then yes, however it's occurred, the beam has to come down from the object. Now, interestingly, I have footage of exactly that sort of thing going on near the Hafren Forest (Wales) filmed by Mike Freebury when we were doing the surveillances where green and red spheres of light were actually firing what could only be described as pencil point laser beams at each other, and also seemingly scanning the area with them. I know that Mike was similarly disturbed when one of those beams came quite close to him from some distance away. So it does sound to be very, very similar technology being used. The ones we filmed there, they were seen not only to fly around, but also to bud off almost like amoeba forming one sphere breaking out of another.
And they seemed to be two types of spheres in conflict with each other. They were firing these energy beams at each other, and that was in the area where the mutilations occur and where all the UFO activity is. So it seems to be something that's prevalent in these kind of high strangeness areas.
John: Linda, I don't want to interrupt, but we're due a break, so when we come back from the break, let's go deeper into this then.”
At 59:26 COMMERCIAL BREAK
Continued in Part 2: PHENOMENON Radio interview with Winston Keech.
Also see:
October 30, 2014 Earthfiles: "Project CONDIGN and Updated - USAF Tech Sgt. (Ret.) John Burroughs Has Forced U. K. Ministry of Defence to Admit It Withheld At Least 18 Classified UFO Files": https://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=2243&category=Environment
May 4, 2011, Earthfiles: “8,500 More UFO Pages Released by U. K. Ministry of Defence - But RAF Bentwaters Files Are Missing”:
http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1822&category=Environment
NASA Interstellar Warp Drive Research:
http://www.gizmag.com/warp-drive-bubble-nasa-interstellar/24392/
List of all known "Cold War" nuclear bunkers and subterranean complexes in the U. K.
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