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Part 2: Hacked Podesta Emails —Why Is Media Ignoring
Generals and UFOs?

© 2016 by Linda Moulton Howe


“The media still thinks it's a joke. But a day will come when The New York Times
and The Washington Post realize that they’ve been had. And they decide they
are going to put six reporters on the UFO story. They are going
to talk to their high level sources.”

- Grant Cameron,


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October 28, 2016 Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada - Since the WikiLeaks dump of John Podesta's emails at the beginning of October, there has been a lot of political reporting about the emails related to Hillary Clinton, but not about the significant development of two U. S. Air Force Generals and the head of Lockheed's Skunk Works meeting in a Google Hangout with John Podesta and Tom Delonge on January 25th this year.


Grant Cameron, Producer of Presidential
and author, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada.


Grant, the third presidential debate with Hillary Clinton was on October 19th, and there had been several days of WikiLeaked Podesta emails about General McCasland and email addresses for USAF Major General Michael Carey and Robert Weiss, head of Lockheed Skunk Works. Why do you think the UFO link to high ranking military and aerospace people was not reported by the so-called mainstream media? And if Podesta has been pushing reporters for over a year to ask Hillary about aliens, why do you think none of this got into the debate questions?
Because the media still doesn’t take it seriously. The media still thinks it’s a joke. They really don’t realize that they’ve been had. So people aren’t really dealing with it. They still think it’s kind of a kooky issue.

There’s a famous comedian, who has an online show and he put out the Top Ten subjects in the WikiLeaks Podesta leaks. He has UFOs as number 10. He has Hillary Clinton’s daughter being a brat as number 8. And the person who sent it to me, I said, ‘Are you serious?! You’re going to tell me that Hillary Clinton’s daughter is a spoiled brat is more important than the UFO thing?’

But that’s how they look at it. It’s really not that important. It’s more interesting what John Podesta said about the Catholics or the blacks. That seems to get the headlines. People just aren’t taking it that seriously.

Most of the stuff that I have — and I put it on my Facebook site. I put the latest email leak and what it means, like who these people are and why this is a significant email. I download this stuff to all the reporters, who have done stories on the UFO angle to the WikiLeaks dump.

But they haven’t followed up on the Generals. They haven’t followed up on this thing where Podesta was going to go to the President. None of them have picked up on it yet. Most of the stories are about Trump. I said the media is still asleep. And Billy Cox ( “De Void” blog for Hearald-Tribune, Sarasota, Florida ) came out and said for the record, ‘I emailed them all.’ He emailed all those Generals. He emailed Weiss at Skunk Works.  And Billy Cox asked them to comment on being in this Google Hangout and they all, of course, are trying to wait this thing out. Just stay quiet, don’t say anything. The media will go back to sleep.

But a day will come when The New York Times and The Washington Post realize that they’ve been had. And they decide they are going to put six reporters on the UFO story. They are going to talk to their high level sources.

Well, on October 16th, at least the Sunday edition of The Washington Times had the article and headline: 'Leaked Podesta Emails Encourage UFO Buffs Seeking Declassification in A Clinton Administration.' And it lays out some of the WikiLeaks and John Podesta hacked emails. One dated January 18, 2015, is from Edgar Mitchell to John Podesta asking with urgency for a meeting after Podesta leaves the White House in a couple of weeks to become Hillary's campaign manager.

Dr. Mitchell wrote to Podesta: 'It is urgent that we agree on a date and time to meet to discuss disclosure and zero point energy. Catholic colleague, Terri Mansfield, will be there, too — to bring us up to date on the Vatican's awareness of ETIs—' which is extraterrestrial intelligence.

Then by August 18, 2015, Dr. Mitchell wrote in another hacked email: 'Because the war in space race is heating up, I felt you should be aware of several factors as you and I schedule our Skype talk. Remember, our nonviolent ETI from the contiguous universe are helping us bring zero point energy to Earth. They will not tolerate any forms of military violence on Earth or in space.'

Grant, by 'contiguous universe,' do you think he means a parallel universe or another dimension?

I’m not too sure. Contiguous to me always meant sort of like the non-local thing. He had a lot of contacts in the scientific community, who were big into the consciousness, big into how does reality actually work and the whole holographic universe idea.

The bottom line to this whole thing is consciousness. That’s how They fly the ships. That’s how They move from one point to another point in space. He might have meant something more. It’s hard to say. There’s a lot of stories — Wall Street Journal, USA Today — they all ran with the story of Edgar Mitchell. I don’t think any of them have touched the story of the Generals — which is the more dramatic story — that high level military officials sat down with the former Chief of Staff for Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton’s campaign manager and the guy who set up Barack Obama’s Cabinet (Podesta) and was an adviser to Barack Obama and they had a meeting about UFO disclosure. There’s no ifs, ands or buts! That’s what that meeting was about.

I would predict that you have not even seen anything close to the emails that deal with UFOs and John Podesta.

What you are expecting is that if Julian Assange has managed to get another way to keep putting these hacked John Podesta emails out from now until November 8th, and even beyond, that you expect there's going to be even more emails that focus on John Podesta organizing with people about how to open up the UFO story for real?

Yeah. Or agreeing to be part of this, like with the Tom Delonge, or if he answers Robert Weiss’s email where Robert Weiss wants an update. I mean, if Podesta provides some sort of update such as ‘Tell Weiss this or tell Weiss that’ — and it has to do with UFO disclosure — that’s going to be very dramatic.  I mean there’s so many things!

Or like with the Hillary — when Hillary first gets asked about UFOs, you saw the email where they were very upset when she did not get asked about UFOs. You can imagine what the emails are going to look like when Podesta planned this for a whole year. He sets up this thing and he asks reporters to ask her (Hillary) about the aliens, ask her about the aliens!

November 6, 2015, email from Hillary Clinton assistant to John Podesta.


And then when they (reporters) finally ask about the aliens, you can imagine what that email is going to look like. All the events that have happened. We haven’t seen any of the John Podesta emails reacting to any of the big UFO events that have happened. For example, even the one in May of this year where these three very direct questions are asked by these White House press people inside the White House demanding answers to UFO. I mean, if he reacted to that kind of stuff where there was correspondence between him (Podesta) and somebody else about what this meant and what Obama thought. So many events have happened in the UFO front in the last year and we have not seen in these WikiLeaks emails yet any of John Podesta’s reactions to these events. We’re seeing all sorts of stuff that we didn’t even know about like this meeting in January of 2016 (January 25, 2016 Podesta with Generals McCasland and Cary and Lockheed Skunk works Weiss in Google Hangout). We didn’t know that happened. But there’s so many other things that I think are going to be very dramatic.


Three Different Groups Planning
To Open Up UFO/E.T. Reality

Grant, which story specifically do they want out if there are three different groups, perhaps with three different intents? What implications have you gained from the one you refer to as somebody who would shock us if we knew who it was — the 'Big Man?' Have you gotten any insights about what they would be releasing as the truth about other life in this universe? Specifically, what IS the alien presence on this planet? What does it do? What does it want? And why is it that since World War II, our government has chosen not to tell the American people the truth?

OK, there would be three different views, depending on which camp you’re talking to. I mean, the third group is very sort of like Edgar Mitchell-type — positive, it’s more spiritual, it’s more than aliens. Consciousness is the basis of this thing. That would be their take.

If you take a look at Tom Delonge, his is a very negative view  — that this is bad news. You know, that aliens have been giving different religions different weapons and having to fight with each other.

The first group is Podesta and Hillary.
Yeah! They’ve got all the intelligence sources. They’ve got all the money and they are going to have the best answer of  what the intelligence is behind this phenomena. And it almost seems like it’s more of a straight core story that we are being visited by extraterrestrials, there’s been a crash, we’ve back-engineered some of this stuff and we’re doing the best we can.

The problem is that governments are not trusted today and that anything that our government would release — a large part of the population would not trust as being true.

Except that they (Group 1 Hillary/Podesta) will come with documentation. It will be the official (story), whether it’s Hillary making an announcement. Hillary’s already made the disclosure that we may already have been visited. That’s the first high-level official ever to say that.

It’s fine for someone to say I believe there is life in outer space. There’s microbes on Mars or whatever. It’s another thing to say They are here! That’s a big step. And Hillary has actually hinted that They may already be here.

And what I’m hearing from the other two camps is what I sort of believe is the Thomas Edison thing: ‘We don’t understand one-millionth of 1% about anything.’

This is so far beyond anything that we can imagine. This has got to do with — if you go to Edgar Mitchell, this whole idea of you have two different laws in the universe. You either have Newtonian physics — that we are separate particles in a random universe floating around and banging into each other.

Or you have the dual slit experiment where a particle does not appear in time and space until there is an observer. That’s the whole idea that consciousness is the ground of all being.  This is what it’s about — this really, really complex scenario where we really don’t know what’s going on at all. We’re just getting little glimpses.”


WikiLeaks Hacked March 6, 2015 Email
from Author Robert Fish to John Podesta,
Hillary Clinton's Campaign Manager

On October 25th, after that morning's WikiLeak Podesta email dump, Grant Cameron sent me a new one dated March 6, 2015, from Bob Fish to John Podesta, who wrote the 2009 book Hornet Plus Three: The Story of the Apollo 11 Recovery. Grant explained that after Podesta made his now infamous tweet that his biggest disappointment of 2014 was not getting disclosure of the UFO files, Fish wrote to Podesta about some UFO-related information from his career.

Fish said, “I did work with Ft. Meade (NSA) on several classified communications projects, including President Reagan's dedication of the new HQ building in September 1986, when I was a contractor to WHCA (White House Communications Agency military unit.)”

Then he describes a lunch conversation he had with a senior USAF NCO in the TS/SCI building cafeteria at an El Segundo, California, location. The Air Force NCO had worked for Project Blue Book in the 1970s after it had "officially disbanded," and was an (ELINT) electronic intelligence technician, who flew in RC-135s from MacDill AFB in Florida to snoop around radar and other targets in Cuba.

Bob Fish wrote in his email to John Podesta: "He said there were times when they were diverted from these missions to track UFOs off the east coast of Florida. His claim was the UFOs had a landing and takeoff spot in the ocean east of Miami, north of Bermuda. He also claims there was a specific electronic signature (frequency) emanating from them when they were going into or coming out of the water, so they were easy to track. On several occasions they filmed the UFO as it transitioned from water to air or vice versa." Fish concluded that "high quality film of UFOs is 'out there' somewhere!"

October 3, 2016, email from author and USS Hornet Museum Trustee Robert B. Fish to John Podesta, Counselor to U. S. President Barack Obama until February 13, 2015, when Podesta left the White House to be Campaign Chair for Hillary Clinton's 2016 presidential campaign.
See Websites below for link to this original WikiLeaks email.




Continued in Part 3.

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More Information:

For further information about U. S. gov't. knowledge and cover-up of UFOs and E.T.s, please see the books and DVDs by Linda Moulton Howe in the Earthfiles Shop, as well as the many reports in the Earthfiles Archive, of which a few are listed below from the nearly 2,500 in-depth reports organized in chronological order from 1999 to 2016 ongoing.

• 08/26/2016 — Part 2: Some FBI Docs About Unidentified Light, But Much Still Sealed 74 Years Later
• 08/04/2016 — UPDATE Part 1: Was Bismuth/Magnesium Layered Metal in NM UFO Crash A Superconductor? Click for Real X-File Report.
• 07/02/2016 — NASA Photo Lab Tech Saw Negative of “Alien Object” On Moon Blacked Out
• 07/01/2016 — Antarctica Retired Navy Flight Engineer Warned by NSA to Stop Talking About Missing Scientists
• 07/01/2016 — Former NASA Engineer Says 5 Structured Domes in Moon Crater Photo Blacked Out
• 05/27/2016 — WWII Was An E.T. Battle Fought Through Humans, According to Retired U. S. Navy Engineer
• 05/27/2016 — Alien Agendas Include Animal Mutilations and Hybrids

• 03/08/2009 — Final Part 20: Army/CIA Unit Studied the Real UFO Blue Book Cases
• 02/24/2009 — Part 19: Army/CIA Unit Studied the Real UFO Blue Book Cases
• 02/11/2009 — Part 18: Army/CIA Unit Studied the Real UFO Blue Book Cases
• 02/04/2009 — Part 17: Army/CIA Unit Studied the Real UFO Blue Book Cases
• 01/07/2009 — Part 16: Army/CIA Unit Studied the Real UFO Blue Book Cases
• 01/02/2009 — Part 15: Army/CIA Unit Studied the Real UFO Blue Book Cases
• 12/24/2008 — Part 14: Army/CIA Unit Studied the Real UFO Blue Book Cases
• 12/22/2008 — Part 2: CIA, UFOs and Hollywood
• 12/09/2008 — Part 13: Army/CIA Unit Studied the Real UFO Blue Book Cases
• 12/04/2008 — Part 12: Army/CIA Unit Studied the Real UFO Blue Book Cases
• 11/30/2008 — Part 11: Army/CIA Unit Studied the Real UFO Blue Book Cases
• 11/27/2008 — Part 10: Army/CIA Unit Studied the Real UFO Blue Book Cases
• 11/19/2008 — Part 9: Army/CIA Unit Studied the Real UFO Blue Book Cases
• 11/16/2008 — Part 8: Army/CIA Unit Studied the Real UFO Blue Book Cases
• 11/05/2008 — Part 7: Army/CIA Unit Studied the Real UFO Blue Book Cases
• 10/03/2008 — Part 6: Army/CIA Unit Studied the Real UFO Blue Book Cases
• 09/24/2008 — Part 5: Army/CIA Unit Studied the Real UFO Blue Book Cases
• 09/12/2008 — Part 4: Army/CIA Unit Studied the Real UFO Blue Book Cases

• 09/07/2008 — Part 3: Army/CIA Unit Studied the Real UFO Blue Book Cases

• 09/02/2008 — Part 2: Army/CIA Unit Studied the Real UFO Blue Book Cases
• 08/27/2008 — Part 1: Army/CIA Unit Studied the Real UFO Blue Book Cases


March 6, 2015, Email from Robert Fish to John Podesta:

Grant Cameron's

Hornet Plus Three: The Story of the Apollo 11 Recovery © 20009 by Bob Fish:

John Podesta:

USS Hornet (CV-12):

MJ-12 and Majestic Documents:

"Applied Technology Associates (ATA) Names Dr. Neil McCasland as New Director of Technology," January 7, 2014, PRNewswire:

USAF Major General William N. McCasland, Ph.D.:

Robert F. Weiss, Head of Lockheed Skunk Works:

USAF Major General Michael J. Carey:

PresidentialUFOs by Grant Cameron:

Other Dimensions:

Encounters of the 3rd Kind:

MJ-12 and Majestic Documents:


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